260 Ackley Improved

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Bob,
Why would I want to buy that when I can get a Savage 6.5 Crudmoor for $500 or less here? I wouldn't even need to reload the 6.5 as it's one of the few (and I mean FEW) factory cartridges you can still find in the gun stores here. That and the 6.8 Australian.
CEH

@CoElkHunter
Do you want me to make an appointment for you at the hairdresser for your man bun set and style. I will also reserve seating at your favorite coffee shop for a soy latte with decaf and appropriately sourced organic chocolate sprinkles.

I can't believe I am saying this but I think I would prefer you to get a 2 4 3, shit there hard numbers to get out, over a 6.5 crudmore man bun.
Maastricht I can see those night mares returning BIG TIME.
bob

 

[bruce moulds]

but bob,
you have to remember that ceh lives the hipster lifestyle.
bruce.

 

[C.W. Richter]

Use more gun in Africa. Either a larger cased 264 or a larger cartridge. That's a fine deer cartridge in America so long as you limit the range. I've had great experience on much thicker skin heavier constructed African plains game using much more powerful 6.5s pushing 3,200 to 3,300 ft per second and even with perfect shots using quality 140 to 160 grain bullets those seemingly puny animals on occasion ran quite a distance. Big difference between that and the old timers braining elephants at 20 yards with the blessed high SD 6.5 bullets... With the punier cartridges so long as you only have a few animals on license you can afford the extra time searching for them during your Safari. The 308 itself is marginally adequate for same.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

but bob,
you have to remember that ceh lives the hipster lifestyle.
bruce.

@Bruce moulds
Yeh I know mate we just have to educate him about the different things in life like the joys of the 9.3 and 35 families. The simple elegance of old fashioned bolt actions.
Me thinks he should loosen the band holding up his man bun and get him on the Bundy Rum before the soy decaf lattes with responsibility sourced cocoa beans for his chocolate sprinkles gets to him to much.
Bob

 

[bruce moulds]

and 7mm.
bruce

 

[CoElkHunter]

@CoElkHunter
Do you want me to make an appointment for you at the hairdresser for your man bun set and style. I will also reserve seating at your favorite coffee shop for a soy latte with decaf and appropriately sourced organic chocolate sprinkles.

I can't believe I am saying this but I think I would prefer you to get a 2 4 3, shit there hard numbers to get out, over a 6.5 crudmore man bun.
Maastricht I can see those night mares returning BIG TIME.
bob

Ha! Ha! Ha! My internet is back up after the service provider has been installing fiber optic cable in the neighborhood. One of the technicians mentioned something about all the AHers using up all the capacity during the daytime hours. I told him that they’re burning up the internet capacity because they have no bullets to go to the range with!

 

[CoElkHunter]

but bob,
you have to remember that ceh lives the hipster lifestyle.
bruce.

 

[CoElkHunter]

Ha! Ha! Ha!

 

[CoElkHunter]

Use more gun in Africa. Either a larger cased 264 or a larger cartridge. That's a fine deer cartridge in America so long as you limit the range. I've had great experience on much thicker skin heavier constructed African plains game using much more powerful 6.5s pushing 3,200 to 3,300 ft per second and even with perfect shots using quality 140 to 160 grain bullets those seemingly puny animals on occasion ran quite a distance. Big difference between that and the old timers braining elephants at 20 yards with the blessed high SD 6.5 bullets... With the punier cartridges so long as you only have a few animals on license you can afford the extra time searching for them during your Safari. The 308 itself is marginally adequate for same.

.250-3000 Savage! According to the promotion when it first came out, it’s powerful enough for every game animal on the planet. Must be true. Probably the same with the new 6.5s in today’s world?

 

[leslie hetrick]

i remember looking at a older ad from savage of a man shooting a bengle tiger with a 99 in .22 highpower, i thought he must of had a death wish. as only tiger i ever saw was at the phily zoo on a class trip in 1960 and i was glad for the cage.

 

[bruce moulds]

yes tigers and great bears were considered as being in the realm of the 22hp and 250/3000 by savage in the day.
very much like the 6.5 manbun being considered a 1000 yd hunting round today.
it either comes from ignorance or a total lack of morals (or both) in the advertising depts.
bruce.

 

[C.W. Richter]

.250-3000 Savage! According to the promotion when it first came out, it’s powerful enough for every game animal on the planet. Must be true. Probably the same with the new 6.5s in today’s world?

& .220 Swift! LOL The big cased 6.5s are fine, but the needmores, etc. smh We've taken deer & aoudad at 650-850 yds w/ the big mag 264s (and plenty of PG under 300.) I think the puny 6.5s are fine for deer at modest range with the right (expanding at that V) bullets. They used to use the 6.5-300 Wby for 3,000 yd competition. For hunting, it can be used to >1,000 yds if that's your thing, but in Africa the shots will be shorter.

 

[bruce moulds]

the 6.5 wwh was developed for 1000 yd benchrest.
this does not make it a 1000 yd hunting cartridge.
dan lilja (lilja barrels) was one of the pioneers of long range hunting and he came to the conclusion that 338 cal should be min for really long shots out to 1000 yds on deer.
this due to a bigger calibre is more forgiving in terminal performance.
sure the 6.5 is easier to hit with, but as a humane solution it is lacking at long range.
bruce.

 

[CoElkHunter]

The .338 Lapua has a larger case, but we need something bigger? .338-378, .338-.50BMG? Ha! I’m sure somebody’s already created those. Somebody with too much time on their hands.

 

[C.W. Richter]

the 6.5 wwh was developed for 1000 yd benchrest.
this does not make it a 1000 yd hunting cartridge.
dan lilja (lilja barrels) was one of the pioneers of long range hunting and he came to the conclusion that 338 cal should be min for really long shots out to 1000 yds on deer.
this due to a bigger calibre is more forgiving in terminal performance.
sure the 6.5 is easier to hit with, but as a humane solution it is lacking at long range.
bruce.

That's not true-the BC/SD/V of the big 6.5s mimic the big .338s. In many cases the TOF is less w/ the 6.5 (less drift). It shoots flatter but does run out of appropriate V for expansion and E for penetration at around 1,000 (that's a 140-160 gr bullet w/ a MV of 3,150-3,200 fps). I've seen the animals fall off cliffs in TX (aoudad, deer) with our farthest shot at 850. The high SD of the 6.5 does the penetrating work. My two favorite calibers. The .338 has gobs more energy out beyond that...good to 1,500+ for those who wish to try. The long shots mentioned above were under ideal conditions (perfect weather, tailwind, perfect rest setup bipods/backpack, custom bansner's rifle, handloads, spotter, etc.) When i say 6.5, I mean a mag cartridge holding at least 65 gr of powder. The 6.5s are not all the same. Believe me, it WILL do! "Hell, I was there!!!" several times. Am I happy about all the new lil 6.5s out there (the craze?) No. It's gotten much harder to find reloading components. Advertising/Mass production is not my friend. I'll take the shot w/ the 264 or the 338, but the 264 (6.5 lbs) is much easier carrying up/down mountains...

 

[cknwax]

In 2019 I took my 280 Ackley to RSA and took 7 different plains game animals with it. Loaded with 175 grain nosier partitions and it did the job with no issues.

 

[C.W. Richter]

That's not true-the BC/SD/V of the big 6.5s mimic the big .338s. In many cases the TOF is less w/ the 6.5 (less drift). It shoots flatter but does run out of appropriate V for expansion and E for penetration at around 1,000 (that's a 140-160 gr bullet w/ a MV of 3,150-3,200 fps). I've seen the animals fall off cliffs in TX (aoudad, deer) with our farthest shot at 850. The high SD of the 6.5 does the penetrating work. My two favorite calibers. The .338 has gobs more energy out beyond that...good to 1,500+ for those who wish to try. The long shots mentioned above were under ideal conditions (perfect weather, tailwind, perfect rest setup bipods/backpack, custom bansner's rifle, handloads, spotter, etc.) When i say 6.5, I mean a mag cartridge holding at least 65 gr of powder. The 6.5s are not all the same. Believe me, it WILL do! "Hell, I was there!!!" several times. Am I happy about all the new lil 6.5s out there (the craze?) No. It's gotten much harder to find reloading components. Advertising/Mass production is not my friend. I'll take the shot w/ the 264 or the 338, but the 264 (6.5 lbs) is much easier carrying up/down mountains...Take a look at the data below. The 264 is clearly good for hunting to 1,000 yds. The .338 can reach out farther. It's also easier to make an accurate shot w/ the 264 due to its flatter trajectory and lesser recoil.

264-300 WSM (3,250 fps/140 gr Berger VLD) SD 0.287 (0.320 w/ 160s!)
1000 yds
1849 fps
1062 ft/lbs
-201.9 drop

338 A-Sq (3,150 fps/250 gr Barnes LRX) SD 0.313
1000 yds
1741 fps
1514 ft/lbs
-220.6 drop

'Crudmore. LOL Ain't gonna do it. PRC/Wby/RSAUM/WSM/6.5-06 A-sq AI/6.5-284-they'll do it! These are the only pics I can easily obtain here, but this aoudad was taken at 720 yds (it went straight down. Didn't move 1 in. horizontally. At that range, it was like shooting it at point blank range w/ a needmore.) For the recovery (at the top of that mountain, up a lot of rim rock,) my spotter-son carried it down and was met by the landowner with his skid-steer on some horse trail at the bottom. Again, not a needmore or other puny-cased 6.5. Coca-cola in another form. Fine for deer with the right bullet at modest range. Like McDs, the hamburgers keep getting smaller as the price and profitability increases.

 

[CoElkHunter]

BobNelsonRockefeller35Whelen,
Per the above post, C.W. Richter has shown that you could neck down your .35 Whelen AI cases to 6.5 and be right in the thick of the long distance shooting genre with just a new barrel? No need to buy a Crudmoor.
Boy, have we gotten sideways from the original topic here or what!
CEH

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

BobNelsonRockefeller35Whelen,
Per the above post, C.W. Richter has shown that you could neck down your .35 Whelen AI cases to 6.5 and be right in the thick of the long distance shooting genre with just a new barrel? No need to buy a Crudmoor.
Boy, have we gotten sideways from the original topic here or what!
CEH

@CoElkHunter
Mate I think your man bun is a bit tight or the lattes a r getting to you.
Those 6.5s ain't 25s and you know I love the 25s as much as the 35s.
Unfortunately the 260 rem wasn't appreciated for bring a good round so now we have the man bun that is no better the the 6.5x55s and no where as good as the big 6.5s..
Bob

 

[C.W. Richter]

LOL the 35 whelen neck down to 6.5 is the 6.5-06a square not a bad round at all!! Ackley improved all the better... It's a killer up to a certain practical weight. I'd bring the 338 for kudu eland leopard lion or even Buffalo with 300 grain bullets