2019 Terminal Arrow Performance Update

I had a warthog duck the string that hit way too high and we didn't recover it at 17 yards with a 410 grain arrow at around 280 fps. The speed of sound is so much faster than even the fastest bow that there's always a possibility of string jump. On the other hand I've shot numerous species in africa with my recurve at about 180 fps that didn't jump, so no sure thing. Even if the arrow impacted slightly lower there's no guarantee it would have worked out. I have went both ways and shot a sable with a light arrow and failed to get good penetration.
 
I shot a bunch of critters (African) with a ~450 grain arrow at ~16% foc. I got excellent penetration (eland, blue gnu, gemsbok....), but I had an impala completely duck out of the path of the arrow at 26 yards. I'm just wondering where is the sweet spot, if there is one, between arrow weight and speed.....
 
I'm just wondering where is the sweet spot, if there is one, between arrow weight and speed.....

Yes there is a sweet spot. But, that "sweet spot" is different for each individuals' set-up. It's been my observation in 30+ years of bowhunting that too many compound bow hunters are missing their sweet spot by trying to to shoot the fastest arrow, the largest diameter broadhead possible, or both. And by doing so, they are sacrificing precious energy and momentum necessary for good penetration. Given the choice between speed and penetration, I will take better penetration every time.

It's no crime to want to shoot the fastest, flattest arrow possible. Yet, a fast, flat arrow is relatively ineffective with an arrow build that doesn't have the ability to provide good penetration. The challenge is that these goals are dependent on multiple components including draw weight, draw length, foc %, total arrow weight, and broadhead design. You could even factor in the arrow shaft diameter and single-bevel broadheads if you want to get super-technical. And, that is just the beginning of the overall equation to achieve your particular sweet spot. It's also been my observation that bow hunters shooting the lower poundages with shorter draw lengths are those that need the benefits of a heavier, higher foc arrow and efficient broadhead design the most. Yet ironically, this is the group that tries to gain arrow speed at the cost of total arrow weight and therefore penetration. As an example, a bow hunter shooting 55lbs. of draw weight at a 26" draw length shooting a total arrow weight of 500-650 grains at a 18% or greater foc, would achieve much more penetration at 220 fps than they would from a 375 grain arrow at 280 fps.

Now, the compromise for these hunters shooting lower poundages and shorter draw lengths is that they have to be more decisive in their shot selection given the species itself, the demeanor of the species at the time of the shot, and of course the distance because of any particular species' ability to jump the string. Another extremely significant factor in regard to string jumping that is rarely discussed is how much noise the bow makes at the shot. A dead silent bow is just as if not more important than arrow speed in my experiences. A bow that sounds like a .22 rifle at the release of the arrow is going to cause that animal to load an bolt every time, and if the animal is already on alert, you can probably cut that reaction time in half.

There have been numerous field experiments done in regard to arrow speed and an animal's ability to duck the shot at various distances. Interestingly, many of these video experiments seem to show that there is little to no discernible advantage to a super fast arrow speed inside 20 yards. In other words, an impala can jump the string on a 300 fps bow just about as easily as they could on a 220 fps set-up at 20 yards or less. The faster arrow only displays its advantage on greater distances outside of 20 yards. The takeaway from this is that there are just some shot situations that you should not take given the limitations of your set-up.

In summary, my definition of the "sweet spot" would be a set-up with an arrow I could shoot accurately with the most total arrow weight and foc that I could get away with and still maintain a relatively flat trajectory at a reasonable speed. I realize that a "flat trajectory" and a "reasonable speed" are subjective terms to each individual's set-up. For me, shooting 70lbs. at a 29" draw, with a 320 fps IBO, I like to shoot an arrow with a total weight between 475-525 grains and expect to get about 265-280 fps. With a quality, heavy-duty, fixed blade broadhead, I can expect to get excellent penetration on most any North American big game species and any African plainsgame on up to an eland.

@lpace Bottom line is that I think you are right in the wheelhouse with your 450 grain arrow at 16% foc assuming you are shooting a set-up somewhere in the 65lb./ 28" or higher range? I think with the impala you just got a bit unlucky... To that I would say welcome to the club ;)
 
Excellent summary @BSO Dave !

You have hit on all the critical points.... We learned the lesson of speed vs. penetration the hard way through trial and error when we were searching for that coveted sweet spot for my wife's bow set up. Because of her draw weight and length limitations (50lbs @ 27"), we just assumed that a lighter arrow would generate more speed and therefore more penetration. Early on, we were ignorant to the facts of the physics involved. We went by what the "experts" recommend at the time, and frankly, that information was dead wrong.... We later started talking to a few different experts that ascribe to the Ashby theories of arrow physics, and what they were stating made much more sense... It wasn't until we started experimenting with heavier arrows with greater foc's where we saw the drastic difference in penetration ability for her lower poundage set up. And surprisingly, the increase in total arrow weight had a relatively insignificant impact on the arrow speed and trajectory. The drop factor out to 30 yards was only a couple of inches more that with her previously lighter arrow.

Her current total arrow weight is around 600 grains with a 20% front-of-center weight distribution. She also shoots low profile, 2-blade, single bevel broadheads. She went from getting 1/3rd to 1/2 an arrow penetration on a good hit to a hog or doe whitetail to complete pass-throughs on African game as large a s a kudu bull. The results have been dramatically impressive.

I also agree that silencing the bow is a critical and often greatly overlooked part of this equation. A loud bow will automatically create a disadvantage to the bow hunter with a pronounced string noise virtually guaranteeing the animal is going to duck at the shot. They will drop at the first noise they hear. In addition to both of us shooting Mathews which I regard as one of the quietest bows available, another advantage of shooting a heavier arrow is that it consumes much of that untapped energy the bow generates that would otherwise be released as vibration (noise)....
 
I shot a bunch of critters (African) with a ~450 grain arrow at ~16% foc. I got excellent penetration (eland, blue gnu, gemsbok....), but I had an impala completely duck out of the path of the arrow at 26 yards. I'm just wondering where is the sweet spot, if there is one, between arrow weight and speed.....

I would definitely say that there is a sweet spot. I have had 3 string jumps while bow hunting. Two on Common Duiker and one on a Steenbok. Both of the Duikers were watching me. The Steenbok, at 30 yards, was not and was in a relaxed state.
I am shooting a 70 lb Mathews Triax, with a total arrow weight of 430gr. The reason why I say that I believe there is a sweet spot, is that there is obviously a correlation between the speed and the noise generated by the arrow. The harder you drive a lighter arrow, the louder the whistle of the approaching arrow, causing the animal to a premeditated movement.
About 2 months ago, I got a shot off at a Warthog at 60yds. The pig was in a relaxed state, and never moved until the arrow found its mark. Warthogs are notorious string jumpers, yet, the Steenbuck at 30yds, also in a relaxed state, got the jump on me. One factor that could have attributed to this, was that the arrow had slowed down enough over 60 yds on the Warthog, to lose that "whistle" through the air, but still have enough speed to get there before a reaction.
Now, I am also comparing this to one of my recent hunters, who shot a Mathews Triax in 70 lb, an identical bow to mine, except, he was shooting 520gr total weight. None of his animals reacted to the arrow before they found their mark, which included Impala, also one of the notorious string jumpers. The increased weight, no doubt had put his arrows, what I feel, in the sweet spot as far as speed vs noise is concerned.

I am reading your comments with great interest Gentlemen. Bow hunting is a drug with no cure.
 
I shot a bunch of critters (African) with a ~450 grain arrow at ~16% foc. I got excellent penetration (eland, blue gnu, gemsbok....), but I had an impala completely duck out of the path of the arrow at 26 yards. I'm just wondering where is the sweet spot, if there is one, between arrow weight and speed.....

with a compound bow...a good compromise between weight and speed is an arrow of 7-7,5 grains per poundage of the bow...so about 490-525 grains arrow for a 70# bow
 
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