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There are plenty of translations that are just fine. That said, I do not view the apocrypha as canon or certain changes made (like the catholic work they did with the Ten Commandments). The crux of the issue at hand is reading into the Bible one’s presuppositions, biases and ideologies (thereby...

I do not. Micro evolution, yes. Macro evolution, no.

Keep it up, I don’t mind.

The education system at all levels is indeed a problem in that they teach millions/billions of years as fact when it is unprovable secular theory. The Southern Baptist Convention has not made an official statement on what it believes. That’s the denomination that I most closely relate to and am...

Public schools (and universities) are part of the problem. Teaching unprovable scientific theories and ideologies as fact.

In the modern context it most definitely is. We have thousands of manuscripts and thousands of painstaking man hours have been put into getting it right. The Catholic “church” has been off the rails for centuries at this point. I agree on that part of the argument.

Makes me no difference.

He is the ultimate judge. There’s a difference in types of judgement. If it’s done out of pride or hypocrisy like Hogpatrol accused me of earlier it’s not good. We judge things all the time. My problem is not with unbelievers. They don’t know any better. My problem is with those who claim to be...

This has been an interesting thread. Really shows just how prevalent old earth theory and evolution is among those who profess Christ.

Yes. God can do anything He wants with His creation.

You’re a believer? You can’t even say Christ is the only source of salvation, don’t believe in God’s Word and likely don’t engage in any fellowship. “Our faith” nothing you’ve posted in this dumpster fire has given me any inclination that we share a common faith.. From what I can tell you’re...

If you don’t believe God is omnipotent you wouldn’t believe that either. Makes sense

I hope you come around one day. You can’t see past your pride

You love to twist Scripture don’t you? Yet again you are conflating Genesis 1 and 2 and misusing them.. For someone so adamant I don’t think you’ve done one hour of earnest or honest research into the opposing view.

Written by men under inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Hundreds of millions of years is absolutely and completely discounted by the Bible.

After reading your many posts I don’t think we have a shared faith.. I never said he was a heretic..

It’s spelled out quite plainly.

False assertion

Men under inspiration of the Holy Spirit (the third Person of the Trinity).

@Red Leg. The above was wrong of me to post. Let me correct myself and clarify/expound upon that statement. Genuine saving faith does endure and persevere. Obviously everyone of faith has at least one crisis of faith to some extent and there will always be something someone struggles with...

Believing what the Bible says, that it is God’s Word and that it’s true is sort of central to being a believer wouldn’t you say? If you pick and choose what to believe you’re saying it’s not true and calling God a liar. A parable? If you can’t make it past the first page without finding a reason...

Look up the vegetarian thing and specifically when man was explicitly told about eating animals. Talking long before Moses. You’re confusing the law with time prior to its giving. The extraterrestrial argument is played out. It was God, people want to believe in anything but Him. All creation...

"Well the Bible says something different," is THE argument IF you believe in the Bible. I disagree with Augustine on the subject. Genesis is not allegorical. No crisis of faith need be had. Those who lack faith have crises of faith..

Religion not having all the cards is an opinion..

Also, in all honesty, I don’t enjoy these conversations very much. They’re tiresome and can be counterproductive. That said, I’ll not leave the conversation one sided or leave something unchallenged. When that happens it gives the wrong impression to onlookers who may see silence as acceptance...

No I get it lol. It’s self explanatory and an age old adage. Nothing mistaken here. How about a little levity :D I find it interesting that you’ll take issue with that post and critically break it down but not do the same thing with my serious posts and questions directed towards you earlier...

Another complete avoidance of answering my questions.. It’s not nice to liken people to pigs. Especially secular people. They don’t know any better :)

I am resolutely certain Paul and Timothy believed in the God of the Old Testament and everything that was written down.. They absolutely had access to the genealogies and they’re not overly complicated. Your assertion is incorrect to put it kindly You keep on insinuating that young earth...

No response then?.. I don’t know everything. Have you ever actually looked into any of this? Or like rookhawk and red leg do you prefer to spend your time trying to reconcile scientific theories with something that is and was supernatural?

He knew everything that would take place. He also made man an omnivore from the beginning when man were vegetarians (before the fall). An argument could be made that man was vegetarian until right after the flood. There’s a deeper answer for that fact as well, survival through the shedding of...

If you believe God is omnipotent why do you downplay that fact? Also, if Christ is who He says He is why do you believe there are other paths to God? You’ve already more or less said you don’t believe in the Bible yet you claim to be a Christian. When or where does your belief kick in?

Following up on the basis that I think physical death was also a result of the fall. At the end of creation God saw all He created and saw that it was very good. In light of that fact and under your assertion that would mean He called suffering, disease and death “very good”. Doesn’t quite track...

Sorry should’ve spent more time on the last few posts. Yes, salvation is in Christ alone. It is a hard thing to grasp and a tough question that many people struggle with but places like Romans chapter 1 and Titus 2:11 (among others) are clear. People make a conscious choice. The Holy Spirit is...

I do not. The Bible is crystal clear that the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men so they will be without excuse when they stand before Him in judgement. Not one single person has gone or will go to Hell without having to have made a choice.

Except they don’t believe in His (Christ’s) divinity, who He said He was. Exclusivity of Christ for salvation is essential. No other way. You identify as a Christian but don’t believe that? The true Christ. Not the Christ of Islam or Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormonism or whoever else says they...

Don’t deflect, you made an incorrect statement and then backed it up with nothing even close to what you claimed. If you can believe 8 billion people came from 8 and ultimately came from 2 and however many languages alive today came from one and that God who made everything and sent His Son to...

To those who (especially those identifying as Christians) earlier asserted and/or agreed with the claim that Islam is not a false religion, how do you reconcile that with the following statement? https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2014%3A6&version=NIV

Genesis 1 and 2 are actually complementary. Gallons of ink have been spilled on it. Have you honestly looked into both sides of the argument?

This is what you said: It is interesting how the early scriptures also discuss beasts of burden working in the fields that appear to be hominids, but they weren't "men" either. Literally nothing you just provided backs that up…

lol. Please point me to the beasts of burden who could have been hominids

The hundreds of millions of years did not happen. Your beliefs have no Biblical foundation.

Scripture does not say that though.. If you can’t back it up with Scripture it’s just extra biblical supposition. Angels were created during creation (obviously). We don’t know how long after creation Adam and Eve sinned…

We agree on some things. There wasn’t much living before Adam since he was created on day six. Not much time for stuff to die if you believe that it could.

Interesting. If supposed early hominids are our ancestors and were soulless, how or when was a soul acquired? That’s adding a whole lot of stuff to the Bible that isn’t there. Or did I skip over the part that said Adam and Eve weren’t the first humans, just the first spiritually cognizant ones...

As a wage earner under 100k a year I need to figure out how not pay the taxes people are saying I don’t pay. Had no idea it was optional. Flat tax would be excellent imo

Question: If you are an old earth believer and identify as a Christian you believe in eons of disease and death. How do you reconcile that believe with Scripture’s assertion that sin and death entered in with Adam?

And here we see the superiority complex among some Calvinists that often raises its head. And I have an arrogant viewpoint?

I’ll side with Calvinists on some things, Arminians on others.

Yea it absolutely “HAS” to be.. Or it might mean exactly what it said..