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Two actually. Winchester M70s, Control Feed, RUM actions. 500 MDM 2.8 inch RUM case, .500 caliber standard 20 inch barrels, two of mine are 19 inches. Capable of 500 gr CEB Solids at moderate load 2430 fps at 55700 PSI and 450 CEB Raptors 2515 fps at 52000 PSI. Both moderate loads, not...

Oh yes, like flipping light switches on..... every step up, the light gets brighter. I went on a shooting spree in South Africa with the 9.3 B&M, shooting 210 ESP Raptors at 2900 fps. I developed the 9.3 as a medium for the lineup, to do medium things like most common plains game, and most...

Raptors are very simply the most devastating, tissue destroying, decisive bullet ever devised. I have taken 80+ buffalo, Aussie/Cape, with various Raptors in 9.3 (caliber deficient), 416, 458, .474, and .500 with extreme results. Far more devastation, tissue destruction, blood loss, and...

Good Question. If I were to ever use another Conventional Premium Expanding Lead Core bullet it would Be the North Forks............. In .458 caliber I like the 450 gr Bullet. My test in the 458 B&M is a little slow for velocity, but is still within spec for buffalo. I could increase that...

Hush your nasty mouth.............. That is WEIGHT........ Not Caliber....... But now that you mention it, just had to say that didn't you! Now I will have to make them 350s or something else..... Damn, you are right............. Phewwwww..............I think I am going to be sick...

JD Jones gave Lehigh the idea for the Extremes. In 2007 JD and I were working on several different .500 caliber bullets, going through Lehigh to get them made. The first fluid moving Extreme was tested, and then later in 2007 I used it on several buffalo in Zimbabwe to good effect. The...

Excellent question Fordy........ One of my last trips to visit with Paul and do some shooting with the 500 MDM, I wanted to try and answer this very question, only in .500 caliber. I gave the 335 Raptors and the 350 ESP Raptor/Solids a good go on buffalo, these at higher velocity. I just...

You are correct to consider the twist rate in .416 calibers when it comes to Solid Terminal Performance, and terminal stability. Velocity can make a difference with 1:14. But even at lower velocity performance is not to far out of spec. We tested this in 2011 with the 400 CEB #13s. 416 B&M...

:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:.................................... I knew you were going to step in it up to you eyeballs with that statement, here in the land of 375 RAT Caliber Worship! HEH HEH........... Many of you know my opinion of 375 caliber anything...

@ACM .......... can you point me in the right direction for that chart? I have been looking and cannot find it. I believe I can use that for a current project I am working on. 100% Absolutely....... two holes are better than one, and two for the price of one............... Indeed, has to...

Yes......... If you can get close POI at 50 yards, say less than an inch, I would say good to go. I would think you could get a decent POI with the 325s.......... But if not, maybe look at the newer 400 CEB Solid too........... Either one of those would accomplish what you want to do. Smart...

Which Raptor are you using in the 458 Lott? I bet you are still doing the 470! HEH......... You can drop to the 420 Raptor, increase velocity and they are wicked.......... Have to cut that Lott back a good bit I think to fit the tip.......... That Talon Tip will increase 50 yard impacts from...

Nahhhh.......... Big difference between the B&M RUM Based case and the standard WSM............. Example 9.3 B&M vs 338 WSM................ Thank you, me too..............

I am not so familiar with various designations of the Peregrine bullets, but I believe this is the expanding version you are asking about. I have not used them in the field, but we did some test work here in 2015 at Peregrines request. Tested the expanding bullets in .458 and .416 and in...

I would say the fellow had been drinking too much kool aid? Fact is, anyone with that opinion, many non shooter client hunters here with the same opinion are simply short sighted and misguided. A "Properly Designed Solid" is the most important part of any serious Dangerous game endeavor, and...

Primarily I am a Winchester M70 fan. But I do love a lever gun and have carried Lever Guns to Africa many times. Most of those times have been 45/70s and 45 Colt. In those early days, late 1990s to probably 2010 or so, we suffered a lack of truly effective bullets for the 45/70 and the 45...

Will be in South Africa October, taking a 45 Colt Rossi M92 along for truck gun. Finished loads today, 205 Lehigh Extreme 2043 fps and 200 CEB FN Solids at 1932 fps...........................

@Altitude sickness ................ Will always stand tall in my eyes.......... Two Buffalo, One Shot........ My Hero, and even if it is a Rat caliber .416........... HEH HEH.........

Yeah, yesterday I had a look for a Lehigh Extreme in .510........ does not existe....... .500 caliber and .458 caliber..... that is the big bores...... I would like to see some field work on this one sometime. The test work is "Extreme" LOL.......... All good........ Yep, Raptor at the top...

Will do! HEH....... and, don't talk to me about anything less than .416 caliber please, if you do, I just look the other way and have nothing to say.......... I don't do anything with Rat calibers, I don't want to know anything about rat calibers, I don't care about rat calibers, and 416 is low...

OK Fordy, need some more detail on just exactly how this bullet failed........ OK, from this, I am thinking a point on the shoulder shot animal not fully facing, but at an angle, point of shoulder, hitting the big knuckle ............ Right? Then the bullet angling off to the far side...

Yep...... I have those tests. However I am not satisfied with either test to be honest. Basic results are that the 400 #13 Solid does out penetrate the 400 Hydro at around 2300 fps. The 400 Hydro test was 1 bullet, and I have a bug in my butt that there were some anomalies I can't account...

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M71 High Grade 50 B&M Alaskans....... Matching Serial #s.................

For sure, the meplat size is not stable, and this absolutely causes the bullet to veer. There has to be something in that alloy that allows them to bend like that, this one shown, not the only specimen. Sam had one do the same thing, I have heard of others with the exact same issue. I have...

Loading a few 500 MDMs.......... 500 #13 Solids, 95/H-4895, 2416 fps................500 caliber

The photo was sent by a friend here on AH. He was forced to use Factory ammo last year for his buffalo hunt. This was Factory Federal Solids..... I call them Noslers, Trophy Bonded Solids..... meplat is way too small, causing instability, bullet turns just the slightest and hits bone or...

Sam used them in the old days long before the current CEB #13s......... He complained they turned into bananas. I have never used one. I think we tested some at one point. Recently, last year, one of the guys right here used one on buffalo in 458 Winchester, he sent this photo to me; I...

What will feed reliably easily will be the worst for terminal performance ............Which you already mentioned, the RN. Flat Nose Solids with Less than 65% meplat of caliber will feed better, but only slightly better than the RN in terminal performance if any. Less than 65% meplat is not...

I am good friends with JD Jones. JD told me about the times they would all pack up and head to Australia for those culling shoots, donkey, buffalo, camel and what have you. They really could not take enough ammo and always ran out at some point, no matter how much they took. They were doing...

I think you are in for a good lesson. Fordy has taken more game in a month than you have in your entire life...........

Fordy...... that is a correct statement, the higher velocity of these big solids makes a huge "Impact", pun intended..... This elephant heart was actually criss crossed by two separate solids. This was a .500 caliber 510 gr copper solid I was using in 50 B&M. This was zero dark thirty...

I have taken buffalo, Australian and Cape Buffalo, with 9.3 B&M (useless caliber for buffalo, even with the best of bullets) Buffalo respect Caliber, end of story....... 416 B&M, 458 Winchester, 45/70, 458 Lott, 458 B&M, 475 B&M, 50 B&M, 500 B&M, and 500 MDM. I have had many spectacular...

Good question, and observation. I have 73% meplat listed for the Hydro on the label. Measuring meplat is a very difficult task to begin with. You really cannot measure that direct, say with normal calipers. What we do here, is stamp the nose of the bullet on an ink pad, and then on...

All Solids are Not Created Equal. I wonder myself just how many Solid experiences you have had? And the type of solids you have experience with? I find it very odd, that I have had a hell of a lot of experiences with Solids, and the only ones I ever questioned was back in the days of The...

The Woodleigh Hydro and the North Fork CPS non-expanding version are considered "Limited Penetration Solids"........ They are not designed to be deep diving deep penetration solids, such as the North Fork Solid and CEB #13 Solids. Two different concepts. You are correct, the Limited...

True Deep Diving Solids ONLY for Elephant................ No Limited Penetration Solids such as the Hydro or any Cup Point such as the North Fork. The North Fork Solids and the Cutting Edge Solids are without doubt the best deep diving solids made. They were designed and tested from the...

We did side by side comparisons with the Garmin. The Athlon was very close to the Garmin across the board regardless of rifle or handgun cartridge. I only experienced one time the Athlon missed a shot, and it was because it was too far to one side of the rifle. Moved it closer, and it never...

I do a lot of Midway shopping, and I recently was very pleasantly surprised to see some selection of North Forks available on Midway. It seemed limited, but hopefully that will expand with time. North Fork kindly reached out to me recently and we have had some excellent communications. It...

When I developed the 9.3 B&M I tested every available bullet at the time and I concur, the 250 gr North Fork out performed all other conventional expanding bullets, both premium and common. My test medium here, wet print, is far more dense than ballistic gel, and much more of a challenge for...

I have another suggestion that might be of note to you in the future as well. When I did the 475 B&M and the 475 B&M Super Short, I worked with CEB and North Fork on suitable bullets in .474 caliber. The CEB Line is a 450 #13 Solid and 420 Raptor for the larger cartridge and for the Super...

First, you are getting very good velocity with 70.5/AA 2230 with the 450 #13. I tested AA 2230 fairly extensively with the 450 #13 in 2011, again in 2013, and once again in 2022. I was very disappointed in the changes that occurred over these tests, which showed inconsistency with the...

I have some with the 350 Softs, but more geared to my 458 Super Short than higher capacity 458 Winchester......... The highest velocity I tested was 2150 fps with it. But it would most definitely be an excellent bullet for 458 Winchester and lesser critters of course. I gave the 300s a...

This is from the work I did in 2013 with 458 Winchester, with 350 Softs and 350 CPS 350 North Fork Premium Soft Point 12/2/13 350 NF Soft 72/RL 7 Fed 215 2518 2500 17 2509 54494 PSI 12/2/13 350 NF Soft 68/H_4198 Fed...

Jumping in! LOL............. I am in no way a double rifle expert and or can't recommend one way or the other, for any given design or what have you. What I can tell you are the findings we did when designing the bands and bearing surface of the CEB and we also had excellent results with the...

No, I doubt it. We tested in 500 NE and I am sure those were slow twist rates. I have tested and shot 1000s of Raptors and I never seen one tumble above 458 caliber ever. Whether in live tissue or test medium. I don't have a clue as to what you experienced. Now I have seen the 416s...

Instead of repeating it here and taking away from the Raptor discussion I am going to refer you to this page on this thread. This has to do with Solids Only, 8 Factors of Solid Terminal Performance...

I used the ESP 100 as a Raptor for several years, 308 and 300 BLK. I had the thought that the 100 Flat Base would be easier to load in 300 BLK, and I could get a little more velocity at less pressure than the ESP version. Turns out I was correct on that point. Using the 100 ESP and 19.7/WW...

Let Me Tell you a little story................ At the end of 2005 I started working on a .500 caliber cartridge for Dangerous Game. Two reasons brought this on. In October of 2005 I found myself in Tanzania and was charged by a very belligerent hippo. At 6 steps I was able to sort it out...