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True Deep Diving Solids ONLY for Elephant................ No Limited Penetration Solids such as the Hydro or any Cup Point such as the North Fork. The North Fork Solids and the Cutting Edge Solids are without doubt the best deep diving solids made. They were designed and tested from the...

We did side by side comparisons with the Garmin. The Athlon was very close to the Garmin across the board regardless of rifle or handgun cartridge. I only experienced one time the Athlon missed a shot, and it was because it was too far to one side of the rifle. Moved it closer, and it never...

I do a lot of Midway shopping, and I recently was very pleasantly surprised to see some selection of North Forks available on Midway. It seemed limited, but hopefully that will expand with time. North Fork kindly reached out to me recently and we have had some excellent communications. It...

When I developed the 9.3 B&M I tested every available bullet at the time and I concur, the 250 gr North Fork out performed all other conventional expanding bullets, both premium and common. My test medium here, wet print, is far more dense than ballistic gel, and much more of a challenge for...

I have another suggestion that might be of note to you in the future as well. When I did the 475 B&M and the 475 B&M Super Short, I worked with CEB and North Fork on suitable bullets in .474 caliber. The CEB Line is a 450 #13 Solid and 420 Raptor for the larger cartridge and for the Super...

First, you are getting very good velocity with 70.5/AA 2230 with the 450 #13. I tested AA 2230 fairly extensively with the 450 #13 in 2011, again in 2013, and once again in 2022. I was very disappointed in the changes that occurred over these tests, which showed inconsistency with the...

I have some with the 350 Softs, but more geared to my 458 Super Short than higher capacity 458 Winchester......... The highest velocity I tested was 2150 fps with it. But it would most definitely be an excellent bullet for 458 Winchester and lesser critters of course. I gave the 300s a...

This is from the work I did in 2013 with 458 Winchester, with 350 Softs and 350 CPS 350 North Fork Premium Soft Point 12/2/13 350 NF Soft 72/RL 7 Fed 215 2518 2500 17 2509 54494 PSI 12/2/13 350 NF Soft 68/H_4198 Fed...

Jumping in! LOL............. I am in no way a double rifle expert and or can't recommend one way or the other, for any given design or what have you. What I can tell you are the findings we did when designing the bands and bearing surface of the CEB and we also had excellent results with the...

No, I doubt it. We tested in 500 NE and I am sure those were slow twist rates. I have tested and shot 1000s of Raptors and I never seen one tumble above 458 caliber ever. Whether in live tissue or test medium. I don't have a clue as to what you experienced. Now I have seen the 416s...

Instead of repeating it here and taking away from the Raptor discussion I am going to refer you to this page on this thread. This has to do with Solids Only, 8 Factors of Solid Terminal Performance...

I used the ESP 100 as a Raptor for several years, 308 and 300 BLK. I had the thought that the 100 Flat Base would be easier to load in 300 BLK, and I could get a little more velocity at less pressure than the ESP version. Turns out I was correct on that point. Using the 100 ESP and 19.7/WW...

Let Me Tell you a little story................ At the end of 2005 I started working on a .500 caliber cartridge for Dangerous Game. Two reasons brought this on. In October of 2005 I found myself in Tanzania and was charged by a very belligerent hippo. At 6 steps I was able to sort it out...

And of all the "opponents", how many have used this type bullet in the field? How many have witnessed first hand results? You are wrong on this point, simply because you do not understand how a Raptor actually works. And you are still trapped in the "Conventional Thinking Box". You...

It took a bit before I think I realized what you were saying. The broken beer bottle edges of the remaining bullet is typical of ALL Raptors, this is not a problem, or any bit of a concern. I have never seen the remaining bullet drive off course or tumble after Blade Shear, either in test...

Concerning "Nose Projection" is the length of the nose above the top band of the solid portion. Nose Projection is the last known Factor discovered of the 8 Known factors of Solid Terminal Penetration. It ranks as #4 on the list; #4 Nose Projection Nose Projection above the top bands was the...

Sometime in 2012 CEB made a 100 gr ESP Raptor. Enhanced System Projectile. This could be used as a Raptor on one end, Solid on the other. The Nose Projection for the solid end is way too short, and not as effective as it could be. Used as a Tipped Raptor, it was wicked in 308 Winchester. I...

HEH......... Well you know how I am about that......... Great for rats and such......... :ROFLMAO: I have heard great reports on the CEB 235 Raptor, I think its 235, not something I pay a lot of attention to. All copper CNC Generation 1 bullets work the same way, look at Hammer/Lehigh and...

The vast majority of my experience falls way short to be of much use on this thread when most of the concerns and content is directed to .375 caliber, and or options for longer range shots. Subjects that are way way out of my area. I don', and never will own a 375 of any sort. I used to...

Oh you are a lucky one no doubt. Yes I would say you are good to go, congratulations........ Now, it begs to question, how did the over size barrels that I had on two of those, and a known few others get in the mix???? I would have bet all 125 barrels would have been oversize, that would have...

We have had a couple of 600 Overkills here some years ago. The last time I had one to do test work with was 2011. As I recall it was a 24 inch Granite Mountain action. Big gun. It was interesting, and doing test work, it was all from the bench. This is when we were testing the 900 gr CEB...

1.320" and you can remove the tip. You are correct, you might have issues if 1.250 is the max length of a bullet for your action. You are also correct I use nothing but Winchester M70 Control Feed guns, and they can take a 3" COL. When it comes to something other than a Winchester M70 I...

My 416 B&M is based on the WSM action. The case is 2.240, from RUM brass. I am not having any issues at all with the 225s seated as you saw in the photo, COL is shorter than the 3 inches required for the magazine box and action............Oh wait, I didn't show a full photo of the loaded B&M...

I used to run the 350 TSX in the 416 B&M..... using 78/WW 748 for 2458 fps at 53600 PSI. I Never really explored other loads with the 350 TSX, this worked so good. I did use AA 2520 a good bit early on with 350 Barnes FN solids (Pre-CEB #13s) and 350 Swift A Frames. AA 2520 was a little more...

Correct Jay. When we designed the bands that are currently on the CEB bullets, they were tested extensively for barrel strain in .474, .458, .510 calibers in double rifles except for the 458s which were tested in a 458 B&M, barrel don't care, what action it might be in, as long as you can...

Very interested in what you come up with, please keep us posted. I would be very surprised if it is not oversized, having both of mine being oversized and then news of others being oversized as well. When I found this out in the beginning I started measuring available bullets I had that...

No. While I have not personally studied the Big Horn action, I do not believe it is big enough to handle the larger case. This is the reason a special action had to to be built to work with the 500 S&W case. A M94 was too small and 1895/M71/1886 was too large. An in between size was...

@DaBill short answer, no 416 caliber for the lever guns or 458.... I only did the .500. There is a 416 B&M, but that is a bolt gun and not a Super Short...... 2.240 inch RUM case. As for pressures, the lever guns like the 1895 and the M71s will only do 45000 and 50000 PSI, regardless of...

I personally do not believe that you can run a 500 gr .500 caliber bullet in the 500 S&W to 2000+. There is not enough case capacity, nor suitable powder to achieve that velocity, in that case. 400 gr, Yes......... And here is why I have that opinion; The 50 B&M Super Short is very near...

The first prototypes were .600 Nose Projection. 2cd Generation is .700 Nose Projection and is the current listing at CEB.

After that, and still issues, swap the spring and follower as well...........

Reading this, you have in your hands a very simple test, the bolts and bolt face is the same for the 375 as it is the 416, the 375 bolt will work in the 416 Remington, try the 375 Bolt in your 416 Remington and see what happens, if you still have that issue, then change the springs and follower...

The CEB #13 Solid and the current North Fork Solid were designed around the Winchester M70 Control Feed Action. I own, shoot, and hunted with nothing but Winchester M70s from day one. I apologize somewhat for my selfishness, but when designing the #13 my main focus was the M70 Control...

There are many reasons to be in possession of properly designed Solids for every endeavor in the field, and there are NO good reasons for not having them.

In 300 Winchester I used IMR 4350 for the test work we did in 2024............ 180 CEB Solid 68% Meplat COL 3.345 2/22/24 180 CEB Solid 69/IMR 4350 Fed 215 0 0 0 2896 X2—54400 PSI >> 71 grs 55000 53700 1300 5440 2/23/2024 180 CEB Solid 71/IMR 4350 Fed 215 2992 2973...

And you still do not understand? I would think after at least 8 times mentioned and pointed out, that most folks would get it....................To me, its rather simple actually. Your Beginning Kinetic Energy Value does not tell us much of anything. Now, if it were possible to somehow...

And AGAIN; There are 8 Absolute Known Factors for Solid Penetration and are as follows in Order of Importance..... #1 Meplat Percentage of Caliber Meplats that attain 65% Meplat of Caliber are terminally stable.... Above 70% Meplat bullets remain stable, however depth of penetration begins to...

This was YOUR statement that I replied to; It seemed that you were interested in "Penetration" and "Sectional Density" hence my reply to that statement......You were the one concerned about Low Sectional Density and deep, straight line penetration. I pointed out, there are other factors far...

OK, what does energy mean, Kinetic Energy?......... In physics, the kinetic energy of an object is the form of energy that it possesses due to its motion.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_energy#cite_note-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> This same 550 Woodleigh FMJ at 2146 fps...

I can't believe we are going over this again......... This is only a partially correct statement. Energy? Honestly, that is a useless number that really means very little in reality, sorry. Sectional Density..... Only a Factor at all, if ALL OTHER FACTORS are equal. In the case of Solid...

This was a decent option for irons and could be removed for scope, or, scope the gun, carry the irons as a backup...... Not perfect, but decent option..... I always look for sight options...... today that has become very difficult since I have lost a portion of my vision in the right eye and...

Yes, correct....... No, I don't think so, PacNor provided the barrel I had on my 475 B&M that was oversized. I don't know where Winchester Custom shop bought those barrels for the Big 5 Series. And the Custom shop was long closed by the time i learned this. No, that is for sure, I sold...

Early days I knew Leslie Dengler at the Winchester Custom Shop pretty well. I had several Custom Shop rifles, and got in on the Big 5 Series a tad late, but near perfect timing for me.... I missed the 375 which is just as well, since I would have had no use for such....... I got in late on...

HEH HEH......... well well @CZDiesel , seems we have something in common...... Besides our differences in Sectional Density.............LOL........... I had two of these rifles, #50 and #97 of the Series. I doubt you want to hear the rest of the story since you have not fired yours...........

On Page 3, in that same post, I listed Factor #8 addressing Sectional Density concerned with Solids, as the last Factor in Terminal Penetration, perhaps you missed that. I have, we have, tested literally 1000s of different solids here over the years. We have tested many times the same or...

There are 8 Absolute Known Factors for Solid Penetration and are as follows in Order of Importance..... #1 Meplat Percentage of Caliber Meplats that attain 65% Meplat of Caliber are terminally stable.... Above 70% Meplat bullets remain stable, however depth of penetration begins to decrease...

The World has changed dramatically over the last 20 years........... in fact, it can really be dropped to around 15 years in all reality......... The days of Sectional Density being a major factor in depth of penetration are long gone. The only time that Sectional Density can be considered a...

It is a 6.8 SPC (I think called SPC) necked up to .358 caliber........ 16 inch AR. Nice little cartridge for a AR type gun. Favorite load is 180 Speer at 2358 fps, and 160 CEB Maximus at 2482 fps.

We have seen a lot of really nice guns so far, lots of super nice BBQ Guns. I have my share of other 1911s, that are not BBQ guns in my opinion anyway, some others might consider them BBQ guns, everyone has a different idea about that, and that is a good thing as well.......... I have this...

Brian..... I had not seen nor heard of the article you posted, but like you, I concur 100%. With Expanding bullets, and or Trauma Inflicting bullets such as the Modern CNC Generation I and Generation II bullets like the Hammer and CEB Raptors, the only number that counts is "Terminal Sectional...