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There is no need to mourn the loss of the 210 ESP in .366. I used the 210 ESP with great success on 15-20 animals including zebra, wildebeest, and more....... however my 9.3 B&M had or has a 1:12 twist barrel as I recall, and most of the ESP are a little squirrely, they do not follow the...

I still have a few left, but they are MINE....................... LOL My 458s need them.................

Cow buffalo, 40 yards or so, experimental .500 caliber bullet, and there was brush in the path. Told PH, no shot, there is too much brush! PH says, shoot, that bullet will bust through! I said No, too much brush! PH Said Shoot! OK Big Dog, lets dance. I shoot, buffalo ends up mixing with...

Whoever you are, you are confused. Or I am getting old and forget things, to the best of my memory I have never had a conversation with you? Perhaps I am wrong? But I doubt very seriously that I would not "Like" a question, and then for sure would not have said no to that. To begin with I...

Yes, I still have a couple of 458 Lotts on hand as well, and my Accountant is a devoted 458 Lott and buffalo hunting fan as well. I load for him, using the same 450 #13s at 2360 fps in his Lotts, these are too lower pressure loads, and he has been successful on several buffalo using the 420...

Let me show you the 458 B&M EX............. Now you ask what does the EX stand For? Well, could be a lot of things, it could be "Express", kinda catchy. Or it could just be "Extra", more bang for the 458 caliber buck. Maybe "Experimental"........... Or maybe just some Bull S**t I made up...

Yes, there is One Single individual on the planet with 458 B&M EX "EXperience", me. Problem is, this is a ONE OFF personal experiment type cartridge/rifle. It is not a regular member of the B&M Family with dies and other things available. There is only one rifle built, which of course I...

No Thoughts..... Other than, it is not B&M related that I know of. With the cartridge based on a Short Action Winchester, and if correct a WSM action, then I would guess it would be a WSM or RUM based cartridge of some sort, similar to either the 50 B&M Super Short (WSM) or some variant of the...

@SRvet , yes, thanks for the clarification I am baffled myself that the 420 Raptor did not sort that out in short order,especially at 2350 fps. I don't have a clue as to why that would be. I have used it with incredible success, I just loaded some more for a friend that is taking his 458...

Albert, that is just about what I would expect with 416 blades, with larger blades in .458 and .500 caliber you would have around 10-12 inch spread...... I think the way I worded that before was not correct, total spread, not from center.... I am in the wrong on that. I think? LOL...

Good Morning Mark, and Gentlemen................. Indeed. When the research was done on the CEB #13 Solids, I proceeded to the Trauma Inflicting bullets (My brain is focused on Buffalo Always) With the Solid design finished, I focused on what is now the Raptor. In the early development I...

LOL....... Private joke between Fordy and I.......... for many reasons stated ........ @Justin D. I commend you for the excellent, very detailed report and observations. Very well done. As for twists and turns, very easily explained if this were a Round Nose Solid, or a spire point solid...

A limited penetration solid is designed for two purposes. To give increased trauma to the target, causing more tissue destruction, and deeper penetration than what you would get with a conventional expanding bullet, or even a trauma inflicting bullet such as the CEB Raptors and 1st Generation...

I had SSK Industries build two of these in 2008. I had an abundance of Winchester M70s in 338, and wanted something different. I really liked the cartridge, I think a good step up from .338. It was easy to load, just running the 338 case in the size die necking up and done. Both of my...

Yes, the 200 FB Raptor is the bullet in 9.3 caliber for anything you would do with a medium. I took the 210 ESP to Africa and Australia where it hammered plains game and the terminals were incredible, no bullets recovered, taking multiple zebra, wildebeest and more. However, in my 9.3 B&M it...

I am not quite sure of what velocity you might be looking for. I have heard this before, but personally did not find that being any sort of issue, at least to this point; 2/3/16 300 #13 28/WW 296 Fed 205 1536 1533 3 1534 2/3/16 300 #13 30/WW 296 Fed 205 1625 1607 18 1616...

First let me qualify that I am not a handgun hunter by any stretch, although have taken a few species with a handgun in my earlier days. Nor am I a serious big bore handgun shooter, at least not in the last 15 years. I tore a tendon in my right hand with a 4 inch 500 S&W that never healed...

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We did all that work here going back to 2010. The Cutting Edge Bands were designed to be safe in double rifles. We also tested the North Fork Micro bands and they were hand in hand with the CEB both in brass and copper. We tested a large variety of different bands, number of bands...

I take it you are not familiar with the Raptor........... In the first days it was called Non-Con, for Non-Conventional ............ Today, Raptor. The single most devastating, tissue destroying, trauma inflicting bullet that ever went to the field. Available in all calibers from .224 to...

WICKED to say the least, I also am a huge fan of that bullet, I run semi 450 BMs and it is a game changer in that cartridge............I just received a new run, 700 pieces. I used and loaded a previous 1000..........

Of course I would use the 200 Flat Base Raptor. "Michael, that is insane, 200 gr bullet in .366 caliber, it does not weigh enough for eland" Yep, 20 years ago that would probably be true, no sane individual would consider such a thing, but 20 years ago we did not have the Bullet Tech we have...

People say a lot of stupid things, stupid can't be cured. Trying to argue, or convince stupid of anything is a waste of time, and time is limited. Hopefully more open minded people are able to understand and work through the logic to come to a more reasonable conclusion. It was not so long...

I will be long dead and dusty by then................HEH

Here is how I avoid these sort of issues....................

A very good question, among several I have as well. First out the gate @blackpowder12bore you will not find me .375 caliber friendly at all, not even in the least bit. Keep that in mind as I state any opinion. Anyone that knows me, knows this. Would not be my choice for anything larger...

I did some 9mm Pressure data today, I have a 9mm loading project coming up that I needed to get some data on. I thought I would post this for you guys, but warning, it is severely limited in scope, especially concerning powders used. A few years ago I converted all my 9mm Loads to two...

I would not classify BBQ Guns as Jewelry per say, but since BBQ Guns were mentioned............... My wife and I have had a lot of such things like jewelry made over the years from some of our adventures, elephant hair bracelets many times from our elephants, we even had custom wedding bands...

One of my Favorite Subjects............... BBQ Guns come in pairs.....One is good, Two is REAL GOOD. Pair of Blued Series 70 Gold Cups, Mammoth Ivory Colt WWI 1911 Giraffe Bone (my giraffe) KImber Pro Buckeye Burl Double Rig My Elephant Leather laced with my Buffalo leather Kimber...

Expanding or Trauma Inflicting Bullets. Now we enter a world where Sectional Density of Expanding or Trauma Inflicting bullet that is setting on the shelf, or in the box they came in is useless and will remain the same until it is fired, and begins terminal penetration, then the SD changes...

Well, Here I Am. Now what? HEH.................. Sometimes I answer the phone knowing it is one of my kids, this pisses them off ("What do you Want? If I wanted to talk to you I would call YOU!) In jest of course, but it is funny to get their reactions. Sectional Density?.......... I...

1. Elephant (.458 Win Mag) Cutting Edge Safari 450 Solid 2. Cape Buffalo (.458 Win Mag) Cutting Edge 420 Raptor Followed by CEB Safari 450 Solid 3. Lion (.458 Win Mag) 250 Socom Raptor Or 420 Raptor 4. Leopard (300 Win) 100 FB Raptor 5. Rhino (Dart hunt) 6. Hippo (.458 Win Mag) CEB Safari...

David......... Yes, as I read this it says ONE Frontal Shot with 375 TSX and then three more to the chest as insurance. This is ONE BULLET frontal shot! Another matter, "Tuskless", all tuskless are not created equal to a big bull elephant. Fact is, most tuskless I have seen are smallish...

I have had the same thing on rare occasion myself. These happened with my 50 B&M Alaskan on hippo and buffalo that year, both of the distorted bullets came in contact with heavy bone, these bullets out of the hippo you see the bullet on the far left the nose is shorter, the other two not...

I don't think choice has much to do with it, more of like its all they have on hand......... and it really does not work out all that well. This was recovered from an elephant I took some years ago. Do you mean a Barnes Solid? Surely not a "TSX" expanding copper bullet? Fine for rats and...

Yeah, you can leave that 375 crap to the monkeys shooting rats and such............ we want real data on real calibers, .458 +............ we are after the heavies, no place for a 375 to visit. Keep it for rats, but not those big wharf rats, just normal smaller rats...... LOL Now that is...

No, I would use a Trauma Inflicting bullet such as the Raptor. I never stated Solid on the first shot, although the big meplat solids would most certainly do a fine job and hit hard. I have used these Solids as first shots in some circumstances, but not as a norm.

@skydiver386 That is the question asked today. Me, personally, I will always and have always (except for one occasion) backed up buffalo with Solids. In the OLD days, before proper designs were available, some less than desirable solids, meaning Round Nose were used, and some interesting...

You are welcome David, but read closer, it did not pass completely through, it made it about 1 inch to the other side of the brain cavity..... on a side brain shot, I want that to exit to be honest, that is the easiest head shot. However, yes, the larger weight and if hard enough should do...

Indeed it does, any Cup Point is a "Limited Penetration Solid"............. The Cup increases surface area, and my friend John, formally North Fork explained it best, "It fooled the medium, either test or animal tissue, into believing the meplat size was bigger, larger than bullet caliber"...

Yes Mountaineer, the Solid is 280 gr, the matching Raptor is 255, I have data on both.........The Solid was very good, very capable for a Rat Bullet..... LOL

Probably not, one of the factors in design is a radius edge, not a sharp edge. We found early on with the various #13 Solids that a sharp edge was fine, until the last 5% of total penetration, then it would stray slightly in many cases. A radius edge, rounding off you might say, solved that...

Yes Fordy, there is going to ALWAYS be that 1 in 10, or 1 in 100 times that field operations allows something to go wrong and there is crap that we can do about it. The best we can do is strive to get a consistent result that mitigates the 1 in 100 times............ 99 times, good to go. But...

At least you had a slightly more capable Six Gun than I was stuck with when I had to face down this beast with a 45 ACP and 200 gr Keith type Semi Wadcutters! A man sometimes has to go with what he has in hand! I was lucky to have survived the incident to be honest. I too had a complete...

Fordy, I concur these Nosler/Norma or whatever solids are not up to par. I believe some were also loaded in Federal Factory ammo as well. There have been several variations of this bullet over the years, and the problem is the meplat is just not big enough to stabilize during terminal...

Now with some of the how and why taken care of, lets continue................... #3 Construction & Material Construction of a solid is a major part of its ability to penetrate. To deny this is foolish to say the least. Some of our solids out there, lead core, are very very weak in construction...

Good Morning @David jr and our group. First, lets start with my experience with Cast Bullets and the test material that has been used here for well over 20+ years. My Primary Test medium has been the same for at least the entire 20+ years. It consists of 10 inches of wet news print, then...

A couple of posts from @David jr caught my attention a couple of weeks ago, from "What Did you Load Today" thread. Shortly thereafter I asked David if he would be interested in a separate discussion concerning the topic of Cast Lead vs Monolithic Solids for heavy duty use. I believe it is a...

Great......... unfortunately it will be next week before I can get to it...........