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You can load them down a bit, and with proper weight and recoil pad. Not bad at all 585 easiest of all to load down and it has the widest range of bullet weights of various kinds to load with..Ed

WE also setup test barrels for 460HSM and 585, to use in the FB...Ed

416 & 460 HE AND 416 & 460 HSM .FOR LONG RANGE, AND BIG GAME HUNTING Can be set up in Pierce X10 ACTION for the 416 & 460 HE, Or other long rifle bolt actions or falling blocks, like this 416 HE. AND Bmg actions or Pierce X20 action for the 416 & 460 HSM , Here is picture of my 416 HSM...

Here is picture of my 416 HSM test gun,... It is a big falling block we had as a 8 bore years ago. Has a 34 inch , 1 5/8 "diameter, 1 to 10 twist barrel. .. Ed.

416 & 460 HE AND 416 & 460 HSM .LONG RANGE AND HUNTING Can be set up in Pierce X10 ACTION for the 416 & 460 HE AND X20 action for the 416 & 460 HSM , Can get those if guys need one...Ed

Here is experimental action for 416 HSM in a heavy stock....We lengthened port a little, set bolt stop back , opened bolt face fit the 416 HSM rebated rim. Ed. Here is comparison of Montana PH to Pierce action we modified to use for rebated rim 416 HSM testing..Ed.

More info on this gun, we did it for testing 416 HSM with a rebated rim, to check in intermediate size actions, with the longer, stronger, bolt lugs, Ed..

With 40 inch barrel 416 HSM ,475 gr, get 3650, over 13,000 ft lbs muzzle energy. Got guys getting set to have 38-40 inch 458 barrels made for 460 HSM.Ed..

Here is reamer print with chamber reamer specs for the 460 HSM chamber .Couple guys getting set to do 38-40 inch heavy 458 target barrels...Ed....

Away for a time, sickness.. Here is print with chamber reamer specs for the 416 HSM chamber..There are 3 base sizes we have, depending on actions used. Got reamers for all 3.. Got cases for all of them.. Our cases are public domain, so that is why I post info and specs. To help guys do their...

More about he guys that did the accurate 416 HE, they did a 416 HE that has an 8" longer 42 inch K&P barrel.. Used longer barrel and the same load with 475 gr bullet, as used in the first gun and and gained about 200 fps with good accuracy,. 3065 fps. Tested 2 groups of 3 and less than 1/2 min...

More about he guys that did the accurate 416 HE, they did a 416 HE that has an 8" longer 42 inch K&P barrel.. Used longer barrel and the same load with 475 gr bullet, as used in the first gun and and gained about 200 fps with good accuracy,. 3065 fps. Tested 2 groups of 3 and less than 1/2...

The guys that did the super accurate 416 HE did another 416 HE that has an 8" longer 42 inch K&P barrel.. Used a Stiller action and same load with 475 gr bullet, as in first gun and and gained about 200 fps with good accuracy. 3065 fps. Tested 2 groups of 3 and less than 1/2 min moa. And loads...

If you out of the US you can get brass direct from Bertram without all the import crap and fees.. For bullets CEB makes solid flat point and hollow points. Here for lighter game we use 585 hard cast lead minie bullets, like 440 gr t0 540 gr, anf keep them over 2600 and they don't lead...

And have got 460 HSM specs setup, the impetus for that is some asking about one and new great line of 458 bullets CEB now has. It will hold more powder than the 416 HSM and will get a 572 gr as fast as 416 HSM gets a 475gr.....Ed.. PS- Anyone asking about cases and dies for my 585HE we got...

Ed Hubel here, We got lots of brass, and Bertram has barrels of it in OZ. And now there is importer here in US that can get it here fast. We got dies here, and CH4D got more there. We have some barrels also and Enfield actions if you like them ..Ed

More about our 416 HSM from BMG brass, and our 416 HE & 460 HE from our 585 HE cases Got reamers for 375 HE, 416 HE and 416 HSM,.... 460 HE & 460 HSM are all spec'd, got HE reamer soon have HSM reamer...Our HSMs have a Wea type radius on the shoulder.. The fellow that set up our 416 HE in an...

More about our 416 HSM from BMG brass, and our 416 HE & 460 HE from our 585 HE cases Got reamers for 375 HE, 416 HE and 416 HSM,.... 460 HE & 460 HSM are all spec'd, got HE reamer soon have HSM reamer...Our HSMs have a Wea type radius on the shoulder.. The fellow that set up our 416...

Got guys doing various 416 HEs.. One just built a 416 HE, just been testing it a few days.. And using 168gr of HBMG 475 gr CEB, tested it, in good conditions, 2 shots at 1800 yards and was within a 1/4 of minute accuracy...A few shots at shorter ranges had same accuracy. Ed..

20mm Vulcan is a big case that works ok, without having the sides made too thick...They have thinner sides than smaller cases guys are getting that have the sides made too thick and won't extract easy or work with high pressures. Here Barnard P Cheytac bolt that would do for our 416...

Wonder if a PTRD with 5 ft long barrel is stable enough for ELR , rebarrel to 416 and use our 416 HSM, 500 gr bullet .... .Here is up north guy using 585 HE in a PTRD with inserts, Light load.....Inserts are in the shape of the 14.5mm case.... HERE ia video, 585 Hubel Express and...

..... It is possible rig up holders for many types setups., About shellholder supply for big cases, RCBS and others make slip in holders for shotgun cases that can work or reworked for big rimmed rifle cases... Here are various sizes....... 16ga-- .810" rim,........ 20ga-- .760"...

Bob Snapp, 90, the great Gun Craftsman, of Clare, Michigan, passed away Jan 28th.... He was an esteemed member of the American Custom Gunmakers Guild, Being its president in 1992..He liked working with Martini Cadet singleshot rifles .Worked with guys testing armor long time ago. Maybe...

Here is picture of our 416HSM cases with screw in shellholders, for Ammomaster, etc, and slip in shellholders for regular presses Also have some for big LEE Classic and Smart Reloader presses.. A 378 WEA MAG in picture for comparison... Second is stacks of 416 HSM, about a third fireformed...

In 416 HSM got a 415 gr long target bullet 3800, with plain barrel, no brake, on intermediate action, Our 416 HE gets same 415gr bullet to 3300.Ed

Here is video of early water barrel test of the 12ga From Hell, from years ago. Here is picture from that video.. Here is the intermediate size action for 416 HSM with test barrel, .Ed

Here is picture of the bolt from the experimental action, with our 416 HSM case in it. Note the amount of the base size of locking lugs, the amount of area on the bolt.. Here is link to guy doing special 585 HE in the EU, Good pictures............www.585he.cz We tested intermediate...

Experimental intermediate size action with the Montana PH, for comparison. It is an experimental action for our 416 HSM, to do our speed testing with and get a better action than Cheytac size actions, for bigger case ELR use, without going all way up to more expensive, huge actions. It is...

About 416 cal bullets............ The heaviest 550 gr for Extreme ELR probably be best 8 to 1 twist , in 416 caliber bullet, and 520 gr 9.5 to 1, and 470gr 10 to one, Some barrels I picked up are 10 to 1....... Now a novel idea is to lighten rear of bullet with small shallow hole drilled in...

Here is sectioned 585 HE case in the middle, we first made from another case, years ago before we had factory run of brass and it had perfect thickness on the sides and inside corrner. We could fire them many times without sides thinning.. First case is factory run of our 585 HE, 3rd...

Here is picture of thick 375 case sent to me, with thick sided trex case, and our HE case, The thick 375 case is .050" bigger OD base, but inside is no bigger than HE cases.. These thick sided 375s stuck for the guy using them, when loaded over 44,000 psi.... Got guys asking and doing it...

Guy sent thick sided 375 case, next size base diameter up from Nyati.He said, 'Yes I ran them in a ___________ rifle built by ____, the best I could get was 44000 psi, any more and they were stuck'' Big bore guys. other forums over the years related that trex/african case in 585 size, thick...

Here is a drawing depicting the layout of thick and thin sided cases, like my 585/375/416 HE thin sided ones and the thick one in picture. And my 585 case is not perfect, as where it transitions from the heavier corner to the side it isn't gradual, so case separates there shortening case...

For big long cases our testing is showing that the 416 easier to get powders to work with, less problems .. Maybe building a target gun,don't have 375 barrel all ready, maybe go 416.... We got cases, 416 HE and 416 HSM, as well as 375... CEB and others will have bullets...CEB will be doing...

Here in picture of the cases, are shown the steps in making our 416 HSM case, from BMG brass,, Ed We might have a company that is doing a bolt gun with an action between BMG size and longer rifle actions used for 375 HE, 375 Lethal, and Cheytacs.. To use for our 416 HSM without having...

Here is recap simple setup to get faster loads with 12ga sabots & slugs, Example using break actions...., reaming chamber in a 12ga break action to 3.5" with a 3.5" 12ga reamer, that isn't something needing special order, and use 3.5" plastic cases , or get 3.5" brass cases made. With...

A 585 HE ...shot with moderate heavy load...... https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t50.2886-16/20404363_470558053312276_3772630570509533184_n.mp4 Here is a 375 HE target gun set up, by Asteroid Precision... Here is video of it being tested... And with a 350gr bullet about 3450-3475...

Here is case measurements for our 416 HE target case made by necking our 585 HE big belted case. Here is picture of 375 HE left, 416 HE next, 416 HSM on the right.. Here, tentative specs, 416 HSM case we are doing from bmg brass, A 375 HE, with Lawton action, few are being...

The 12ga FH case now is in the new COTW book on last page in the wildcat section, I think page 324. They gave good credit to Rob for the idea of that case.... The model 416 HE long case in middle, hydro formed one, has case capacity of 240 gr, and the 416 HSM in picture, on the right, we...

Guys asking about strong economical bolt gun to use for 28ga and 410 ga and 32ga with brass cases and higher pressures than plastic cases. They can use a MN bolt action, here is pic of one with our 585 case in the action.Guys can get Magtech brass cases or have RMC make them....Guys can make...

Maybe, family pushing to go FB page,says easier. Here is picture of a brake on 12ga FH with real hot loaded hollowbase lead slug, brake needed more clearance for the expanding slug. Here is the before and after of 375 HE cases, 2 on left necked, 2 on right formed in hydro die after...

Picture of fellows at Vestals Gunsmithing test firing 585 HE they built for a guy. They got 750 gr to almost 2800 from ultra short barrel, not a full load . A regular barrel would be over 2900, 14000 ft lbs with full load.. Picture of our 375 HE cases, with little 378 WEA on left...

Here is picture of one of 3 buffs our guy from Canada got in Africa with our 24ga FH he did on a NEF, in 2nd picture Here is the neck die setup, with insert stems/plugs for the top that are set in .020" steps to make our 375 HEs shown behind from our 585HE cases. 900 cases behind...

Our friend Brian from the far north went to Africa with his 24ga FH he did in a NEF break action and got 3 nice buffs with it. Good job. Our 585HE, 700HE and the great 12ga FH are now in the new COTW book published in Oct, now out for sale, We now have our target 375 HE cartridge, made...

Here is a picture of the 12ga FH brass case that Nathan Vale had Bertrams make. Next to short plastic case. Here is a picture of our 585BB headstamp. Perfect lettering for our case as it came from production line,. I like Hogue stocks, but they aren't made for singleshots. We use...

Fellow big bore nut, Nathan Vale in AUS, has worked with Bertram and got the run of full length 12ga From Hell cases done. Drawn 12ga long cases as strong as BMG brass with unbreakable rims. Any wanting to get some, contact Bertram at the email ----- b.bertram1@bigpond.com ...

That action similar to Lawton we had and neighbor got, that won the King Of The 2 Mile shoot at Whittington, with the 375 Lethal cartridge the neighbor made, from our 585 brass. Made it full length case,.. It is big one on the right. He made an 18 lb gun with McMillan target stock, a huge...

Beautifle rifle, like the color of the stock. Is that a Lawton, or Stiller action. Can I use picture all over where I post. Ed