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I'm going to inject a painful bit of reality for those who have been arguing with me and making bizarre claims about Covid vaccinations.

Why? There's just a "why" that must be asked.

Why..............if they really believed that “If you get the shot, you won’t get sick, covid will end with you!”

Why in bloody hell would they then also tell you that after being vaccinated--wear a good N95 mask in public places, be cautious in social gatherings and mind your social distancing?

Obviously nobody ever believed that “If you get the shot, you won’t get sick" and nobody with any knowledge of the issue ever said it.

What you heard was the microphone hitting the floor.
 
I also think that mockery by the Whitehouse is the best response. Nothing hurts them more than refusing to take them seriously. They want to role-play the brave resistance fighter but Trump won’t give them the opportunity.
Rule when you have no way to validly refute.

Use mockery.

It's not valid but it will impress the non thinking group and make them giggle.
 
It’s funny, for an anti-fascist demonstration, they are pretty comfortable openly wishing for and celebrating the death of their political opponents, which is a position I strongly associate with fascism.
FACT:

Both sides are guilty of inappropriate and unacceptable rhetoric.

And it appears that the idiots are just inspiring each other into getting worse.

Luckily there are still a bunch of people behaving like adults.
 
I actually think you proved my point.

So do you have an issue if someone chanted "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?
If someone had invaded and taken over America........you KNOW we would be saying "From sea to shining sea, America will be free."
 
If someone had invaded and taken over America........you KNOW we would be saying "From sea to shining sea, America will be free."

You are definitely for hamas.....and before you say you are talking about Palestinians...same same....hamas is embedded/ingrained in the Palestinian society /mentality......but am sure you won't believe me.....whatever..
 
You are definitely for hamas.....and before you say you are talking about Palestinians...same same....hamas is embedded/ingrained in the Palestinian society /mentality......but am sure you won't believe me.....whatever..
Ok, so you're calling me a terrorist.

That's popular silliness lately among even presidents.

Hamas took power through murder and terrorism........blaming Palestinians for not wanting to get murdered is simply wrong.

So far you've managed to be totally wrong.
 
Ok, so you're calling me a terrorist.

That's popular silliness lately among even presidents.

Hamas took power through murder and terrorism........blaming Palestinians for not wanting to get murdered is simply wrong.

So far you've managed to be totally wrong.
Hamas won political favor in Palestine through a fairly held election in 2006. They won overwhelmingly.
 
Rule when you have no way to validly refute.

Use mockery.

It's not valid but it will impress the non thinking group and make them giggle.
Why attempt to validly refute people who carry signs demanding your death?

And outside of debate, mockery has a long history of being used against those not deserving the courtesy of being “validly refuted.”

On the other hand, I suspect you are one of those people who have difficulty grasping political parody and satire if it’s not directly benefiting your side.
 
Ok, so you're calling me a terrorist.

That's popular silliness lately among even presidents.

Hamas took power through murder and terrorism........blaming Palestinians for not wanting to get murdered is simply wrong.

So far you've managed to be totally wrong.
You’re not a terrorist, just a terrorist sympathizer. Neither is good but one is definitely worse. Lucky you.
 
Im not calling you a terrorist...

I will say however, your understanding of Hamas and Palestine are obviously outrageously limited and very obviously skewed by left leaning talking points..

I have personally spent A LOT of time in the middle east.. and A LOT of time in Lebanon and in Israel and in Jordan.. and have done A LOT of work directly related to dealing with the Palestinian "problem" (not limited to, but including providing of law enforcement and security training, mentoring, advisory, and direct support to the Palestinians through various US government programs via the Palestinian Authority)..

How much time have you spent with Palestinians? or in the region? Are your opinions based on personal experience and fact? Or just something you saw on MSNBC or read online?

The overwhelming majority of Palestinians living in Gaza supported the notion of Hamas being in power prior to the October 7th attack on Israel.. Not because they were going to get murdered if they didnt.. but because for generations the majority of them have been told since childhood that the purpose of a woman living in Gaza is to birth future martyrs, and the purpose of a man living in Gaza is to become a martyr..

Do all of them 100% buy into that idea? Of course not.. many just want to be left alone, to be allowed to get a job, earn a living, raise a kid or two, etc... but it doesnt change the fact that the majority at a minimum support the idea of SOMEONE being a martyr for the cause, of women birthing future martyrs, etc (they just might not want to go blow themselves up or to go attack an Israeli school, etc.. but they arent going to cry any tears when someone else does it.. and they are perfectly ok having a government that encourages it, having friends committed to it, etc..etc..)..

Want to know what a Palestinian thinks and believes? Why not go ask one? Ive personally asked many.. Ive also talked to numerous Jordanian officials, Lebanese officials, and Israeli officials.. and while those three countries dont agree on much.. they all very much agree that none of them really want Palestinians living in their countries.. and they certainly dont want any more of them coming across their borders than they already have..

There is a reason that Jordan has killed somewhere between 3000-5000 palestinians (depends on whose numbers you believe) and that more than 20,000 palestinians fled Jordan during Black September.. and a reason that Jordan has killed and/or imprisoned numerous palestinians every year since then..

Theres a reason that somewhere between 1500-4000 palestinians were killed by Lebanese forces during the Lebanon civil war.. and continued to be killed every year until Hezbollah (another Iranian backed, palestinian terrorist group) took control of Lebanese politics (they currently hold 62 of the 128 seats in Lebanons parliament)..
 
Hamas won political favor in Palestine through a fairly held election in 2006. They won overwhelmingly.
Wrong.

They won 74 out of 132 seats with a combination of threats to voters and the fact that their opponent (Fatah) was seen as guilty of corruption).

They won complete control by going to war with Fatah and driving them out.
 
You’re not a terrorist, just a terrorist sympathizer. Neither is good but one is definitely worse. Lucky you.
And you're calling a people who are trying to drive invaders out of their country "terrorists."

Your definition of terrorist is puzzling.
 
Wrong.

They won 74 out of 132 seats with a combination of threats to voters and the fact that their opponent (Fatah) was seen as guilty of corruption).

They won complete control by going to war with Fatah and driving them out.

Which is exactly their M.O.. no different than what they did in Lebanon.. no different than what they have attempted to do several times in Jordan..

and how exactly are they able to accomplish that?

with Iranian funding, and a significant amount of public support..
 
And you're calling a people who are trying to drive invaders out of their country "terrorists."

Your definition of terrorist is puzzling.

Umm.. there is no country of Palestine..

In fact the Palestinians have been offered a 2 state solution several times.. they have declined it every single time..

1947..2000... 2001... 2008...

They dont have a country.. because they dont want a country under the terms that have been offered them for more than 75 years..
 
Ok, so you're calling me a terrorist.

That's popular silliness lately among even presidents.

Hamas took power through murder and terrorism........blaming Palestinians for not wanting to get murdered is simply wrong.

So far you've managed to be totally wrong.

Bullshit
 
Im not calling you a terrorist...

I will say however, your understanding of Hamas and Palestine are obviously outrageously limited and very obviously skewed by left leaning talking points..

I have personally spent A LOT of time in the middle east.. and A LOT of time in Lebanon and in Israel and in Jordan.. and have done A LOT of work directly related to dealing with the Palestinian "problem" (not limited to, but including providing of law enforcement and security training, mentoring, advisory, and direct support to the Palestinians through various US government programs via the Palestinian Authority)..

How much time have you spent with Palestinians? or in the region? Are your opinions based on personal experience and fact? Or just something you saw on MSNBC or read online?

The overwhelming majority of Palestinians living in Gaza supported the notion of Hamas being in power prior to the October 7th attack on Israel.. Not because they were going to get murdered if they didnt.. but because for generations the majority of them have been told since childhood that the purpose of a woman living in Gaza is to birth future martyrs, and the purpose of a man living in Gaza is to become a martyr..

Do all of them 100% buy into that idea? Of course not.. many just want to be left alone, to be allowed to get a job, earn a living, raise a kid or two, etc... but it doesnt change the fact that the majority at a minimum support the idea of SOMEONE being a martyr for the cause, of women birthing future martyrs, etc (they just might not want to go blow themselves up or to go attack an Israeli school, etc.. but they arent going to cry any tears when someone else does it.. and they are perfectly ok having a government that encourages it, having friends committed to it, etc..etc..)..

Want to know what a Palestinian thinks and believes? Why not go ask one? Ive personally asked many.. Ive also talked to numerous Jordanian officials, Lebanese officials, and Israeli officials.. and while those three countries dont agree on much.. they all very much agree that none of them really want Palestinians living in their countries.. and they certainly dont want any more of them coming across their borders than they already have..

There is a reason that Jordan has killed somewhere between 3000-5000 palestinians (depends on whose numbers you believe) and that more than 20,000 palestinians fled Jordan during Black September.. and a reason that Jordan has killed and/or imprisoned numerous palestinians every year since then..

Theres a reason that somewhere between 1500-4000 palestinians were killed by Lebanese forces during the Lebanon civil war.. and continued to be killed every year until Hezbollah (another Iranian backed, palestinian terrorist group) took control of Lebanese politics (they currently hold 62 of the 128 seats in Lebanons parliament)..
Your experience is contemporary and lacking in history and scholarship and clearly influenced by the Zionist creative rewriting of history.

History shows us that the Zionist Jews plotted to steal Palestine over 100 years ago and Theodor Herzl (the man who started it all) openly referred to the mass murder and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians as..........."Transfer."
Transfer. Sounds peaceful.
This bloody and brutal "Transfer" is now almost complete after 100 years of mayhem. Millions of innocent people murdered and driven out to refugee camps in other countries--their lands, homes, orchards, fields, farms and herds of animals taken by force.

Assisted by England and later America.......the Jews immigrated in huge numbers and their militias gradually took over with superior money, weapons and training and the grand robbery is now almost complete.
This latest great Gaza victory was achieved using American jets, drones, missiles and huge bombs against people armed only with rifles.

I suggest you read "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by the respected Jewish historian (not a Zionist) Ilan Pappe.

And don't stop there.........the real history of this conflict is a fascinating story.

Read more books. Share the real story with others.

Looks like there are several others here who have not read history.
 

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