7mm-08 and Africa

Hammer Bullets out in Montana will sell you trial packs of thirteen. They make quite a variety of copper bullets. Get pretty good reviews too.
I’d like to try hammer bullets. They seem to always have stock. Looks like twist rates are big consideration with their bullets.
 
Any thoughts on sierra game kings or swift A frames?
I haven't used the Swift A Frame (yet) but my PH along with just about everyone else thinks very highly of them. I don't think the Sierra Game King is bonded, at least I found the jacket in the one buck I shot with them.
 
They are a very popular bullet, however they are not a bullet that I would use for anything.
 
Sierra Game Kings vary in toughness, in general they act like ballistic tips.

Very accurate, quick expanders that can lose their cores.

I had good luck with A Frames on Zebra, kudu and cape buffalo.

A frames are great bullets.
 
For context I recently “won” a 10 day trip to Limpopo delta. Looking at the safaris list of approved calibers. My trusty old Ruger m77 Hawkeye in 7mm-08 fits the bill being specifically listed. I currently shoot hand loads for white tails and wild boar in Mississippi. 140gr nosler BT with 39.5gr HVARGET powder. The hunt I won has plains game listed. Will this rifle leave me wanting more when I get there? I have take wild pigs with it over 300lbs. Pic for attention. Thanks in advance
After hunting over there with a 7mm Mag with 175 soft point bullets, I would say that if you are hunting anything that weighs over 300 lbs, get a bigger rifle. And use all copper bullets. The first time that I went and used that 7mm Mag, was the first time that I wish I would have had more rifle. The shot placement was great, so that was never an issue. This hunt that I got home from a couple of weeks ago, went better with my own 300 Win Mag that I brought. I was shoot 180 grn Hornady CX bullets. It seemed to hit the orxy a little harder. I still wish that I would have had a bigger gun though for the big eland bull that I shot though. I don't like when a solid hit takes an animal more that a min to expire, or if a second shot has to be made. That said the first time I was there, the 7 Mag and 175 grn soft point took the impala, springbok, warthog and even my blue wildebeast right off of their feet. The kudu ran 200 meters and dropped with a shot directly through the center of the heart. The orxy ran 2-300 meters and went down then got up and took off when the dog found it. Luckily we had the dog and it stopped and fought with the dog a 150 meters later and I put anothet bullet in it and dropped it. That shot was at the back edge of the shoulder and only hit both lungs in the back third of the lungs and didn't get the heart. My PH said that that orxy would have been done where it went down the first time if the dog wouldn't have got to it so fast. The eland with a 300 Mag and a good shot went down and got up after the dog found it and we got there and I put another one into it. Then it ran a little more and dropped in front of us and still took a minute or two to expire. The bigger animals over there are tough and can go farther than deer even with good shot placement. If you have anything like kudu or oryx in your package, I would bring a larger rifle. At least 30 cal or bigger. If they don't have tracking dogs, finding down or wounded animals takes time that is better spent hunting. It also isn't really worth bringing two rifles for big and smaller animals, because they may all be in the same area and you wont know which opportunity will come and when. Hope that helps. You're going to have a great time!
 
You don’t need 100% weight retention for PG. I do like high weight retention bullets, but if sufficient weight remains and core stays intact they continue to penetrate. The shed weight also makes additional wound channels. There’s nothing wrong with Accubond at 7mm-08 velocities. These are from kudu and gemsbok with 300 win. Around 60% weight retention. Many passed through.
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Accubond bullets are very popular, but I would not use them for any kind of hunting except maybe varmints.
 
I think the 7mm-08 with a good bonded bullet (150-160 Grain) is all you need for anything up to Eland. I have had zero issues with my 7x57 used on the last five trips. I culled Lechwe and Bushbuck recently with a 22-250 and they never ran more than 25 yards. As mentioned shot placement and bullet construction are key.
 
Please explain?
Hello tydaws,

I will happily respond to your question, knowing that my strong views on bullet terminal performance has tended to annoy some people in the past. So, I say ahead of time that I make the following comment with the best possible intensions.

I assume that, like me, you want a hunting bullet that provides consistently excellent terminal performance for a quick, safe and humane kill. Right?

The factors that contribute to ideal terminal performance in tough African animals are not present in the Accubond bullet.

These factors are common knowledge and you probably already know them, but to answer your question properly I will mention them here.

Accubond bullets sometimes kills plains game very quickly. I try to select a bullets that always kill very quickly.

( Another bullet that sometimes kills well and has been very popular is the Hornady dangerous game bullet. It is, like the the Accubond, an inconstant performer. I shudder to think how many cape buffalo hunters have gotten into trouble by using Hornady bullets.)

Consistently good terminal performance comes from straight line, deep penetration with a large permanent wound channel. If you aim for the heart from any angle you want the bullet to hit the heart, even if it has to plow through bone to get there. On some shot you may intensionally intend to to break an important structural bone like the shoulder.

Obviously, this requires deep, straight line penetration which is largely a function of the weight and configuration or shape of the expanded bullet.

Deep, straight line penetration is largely a result of high retained weight, controlled expansion and to some degree the rpm of the spin of the bullet. Also, it is very important that the bullet does not tumble.

Examples of bullets that reliably provide this kind of performance are the awesome Barnes Mono series of bullets, the Swift A-Frame and the North Fork SS and PP expanding bullets. Of those three choices I go with North Fork for cape buffalo which are the only animal that I hunt any more. I am actually a Cutting Edge Bullet nut. My boys and grandson hunt PG and you can be sure that they don't use any Accubonds.

The "quality" of the wound channel contributes significantly to the quickness of the kill. A large and non collapsing wound channel is ideal, obviously.

As mentioned above, the wound channel is a result of the the configuration/shape of the expanded bullet.

These days there are more good bullets on the market. It makes a big difference to your hunting confidence and experience if you you use one of the better bullets instead of one of the poorer ones.

Sorry if I am "preaching to the choir" here but I like the old expression that the only piece of your hunting equipment that touches and kills the animal is your bullet.

It goes without saying that the bullet can make a significant difference to your hunting experience.
 
For context I recently “won” a 10 day trip to Limpopo delta. Looking at the safaris list of approved calibers. My trusty old Ruger m77 Hawkeye in 7mm-08 fits the bill being specifically listed. I currently shoot hand loads for white tails and wild boar in Mississippi. 140gr nosler BT with 39.5gr HVARGET powder. The hunt I won has plains game listed. Will this rifle leave me wanting more when I get there? I have take wild pigs with it over 300lbs. Pic for attention. Thanks in advance
I just returned in June from a hunt in both Free State and Limpopo and one of the two rifles I relied on was my 7mm/08. My rifle was a Fierce Firearms CT Edge and it would be called upon to both hunt long range open country in Free State and close quarters bushveld in Limpopo. That is a tall order for any rifle. I mounted a 1-8x ffp LPVO optic so I could hold over at any power setting for the longer shots with confidence and still have a wide field of view in the close stuff. The rifle worked great but I had some issues with my scope getting banged around in the truck causing first shots on game to be higher than expected. The 7mm/08 is about the same as the 7x57 but in a shorter, handier package.

I took a variety of ammo since I had never hunted with this rifle. 140g Barnes TSX worked great on Blk WB at 314y and on Springbok at 242y in Free State. I used it again in Limpopo on a Blesbok at 287y with Hornady 139g CX bullets. Took several shots but the game was in the salt. That same day, I bagged a Warthog also using the CX bullet at 70y. One shot and DRT. I also brought Federal 140g Fusion that I had planned on using on Zebra but the Zebra did not cooperate and I did not get a shot on one. I had 150g Swift Scirocco ammo as well but chose not to hunt with it due to some wonky slow chrono data that spooked me. It was supposed to be 2500fps at the muzzle but I chrono'ed it at 2225??? When I got home I repeated the test and got normal better results, so I do not think there is anything wrong with that ammo. Just bad placement of the chrono. I would not hesitate to use any of these on game in Africa or anywhere else.

As for the Nosler BT? I love those bullets for deer or hogs but would respectfully recommend a bonded core bullet for game larger than deer or any shot other than a broadside. Instead of aiming behind the shoulder on game, in Africa we aim at the shoulder for most of them and that means you need to break thru bone at times and the bonded core or the monos will give you that extra insurance for deeper penetration. And they wreck the insides almost as well as BT's. Below is a shot of wounds from CX and TSX ammo.

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Barnes 140g TSX exit wound - Quartering to at 242y - DRT

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Hornady 139g CX - Entry Wound at 70y quartering away - DRT
Not all my 7mm shots were that effective. My Blesbok took four shots to bring down and the first hit was on the money in the boiler room. In retrospect a 308, 30-06 or 7mm Mag would have all worked better. How accurate is your Ruger? My rifle was a true 1/2moa rifle at 100 and 200y. That helped with good shot placement in field conditions which is critical with a marginal rifle. I hunted last year with a 308 and 180g Fusions and took five PG animals including a Gemsbok at 202y and ALL were one shot kills. That was more effective than the 7mm.



 
The twist rates are so they do good on game. Not so much for stability like other bullets list it for.
Could you elaborate on that? I’d think that one would lead to the other?
 
I just returned in June from a hunt in both Free State and Limpopo and one of the two rifles I relied on was my 7mm/08. My rifle was a Fierce Firearms CT Edge and it would be called upon to both hunt long range open country in Free State and close quarters bushveld in Limpopo. That is a tall order for any rifle. I mounted a 1-8x ffp LPVO optic so I could hold over at any power setting for the longer shots with confidence and still have a wide field of view in the close stuff. The rifle worked great but I had some issues with my scope getting banged around in the truck causing first shots on game to be higher than expected. The 7mm/08 is about the same as the 7x57 but in a shorter, handier package.

I took a variety of ammo since I had never hunted with this rifle. 140g Barnes TSX worked great on Blk WB at 314y and on Springbok at 242y in Free State. I used it again in Limpopo on a Blesbok at 287y with Hornady 139g CX bullets. Took several shots but the game was in the salt. That same day, I bagged a Warthog also using the CX bullet at 70y. One shot and DRT. I also brought Federal 140g Fusion that I had planned on using on Zebra but the Zebra did not cooperate and I did not get a shot on one. I had 150g Swift Scirocco ammo as well but chose not to hunt with it due to some wonky slow chrono data that spooked me. It was supposed to be 2500fps at the muzzle but I chrono'ed it at 2225??? When I got home I repeated the test and got normal better results, so I do not think there is anything wrong with that ammo. Just bad placement of the chrono. I would not hesitate to use any of these on game in Africa or anywhere else.

As for the Nosler BT? I love those bullets for deer or hogs but would respectfully recommend a bonded core bullet for game larger than deer or any shot other than a broadside. Instead of aiming behind the shoulder on game, in Africa we aim at the shoulder for most of them and that means you need to break thru bone at times and the bonded core or the monos will give you that extra insurance for deeper penetration. And they wreck the insides almost as well as BT's. Below is a shot of wounds from CX and TSX ammo.

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Barnes 140g TSX exit wound - Quartering to at 242y - DRT

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Hornady 139g CX - Entry Wound at 70y quartering away - DRT
Not all my 7mm shots were that effective. My Blesbok took four shots to bring down and the first hit was on the money in the boiler room. In retrospect a 308, 30-06 or 7mm Mag would have all worked better. How accurate is your Ruger? My rifle was a true 1/2moa rifle at 100 and 200y. That helped with good shot placement in field conditions which is critical with a marginal rifle. I hunted last year with a 308 and 180g Fusions and took five PG animals including a Gemsbok at 202y and ALL were one shot kills. That was more effective than the 7mm.



I’ve shot 7-800 rounds thru it at this point and I can stack 3 in a quarter at 125 yards
 
We went to South Africa in July 2025. I carried a .270 Win, which I’ve carried on three previous trips to Africa, and my wife and kids used a Browning A-bolt II in 7mm-08. They took blesbok, springbok , gemsbok, impala, blue and black wildebeest and zebra with no problem. They were shooting 140 gr. factory loaded Federal Fusion bonded bullets.

I would use a 7mm-08 on any plaines game with a bonded or mono-metal expanding bullet and proper shot placement. If I were specifically hunting eland, I would likely choose a larger caliber (.30+) but if I had a 7mm-08 and the bush happened to provide an old grey bull eland I wouldn’t hesitate to take the shot with it.

This is my opinion. Take the others that you’ve received here and do what you are most comfortable with.
 
They like the bullets spinning faster than normal to help them open up and travel straight through the animal is my understanding.
Kfreeze, Right on!

This is important stuff that many people don't know about.
I would like to add a comment in support of your perfect explanation. Your "understanding" is exactly right.

Bullets get their stability for the gyroscopic effect on a spinning object. Most people know that this applies to the bullet when it is in flight from the muzzle to the target. (External ballistics.)

We also know that the modern mono bullets are long for weight because they have no heavy lead in them and they therefore may have to be spun faster during this flight to the target to remain stable.

Now folks are learning, thanks to the work of ballisticians like Michael458, that this gyroscopic stability is a significant factor in terminal ballistics as well.

That is, the continued spin of the bullet as it courses through the animal tissue is a factor in the bullets stability and penetration, and as you point out the spin also helps the bullet open up. This has been tested and proven. Fun topic !
 
A friend of mine here in Alaska has taken a lot of game from black tails and mountain goats up to moose and grizzly with a 7mm-08. The cartridge is pretty capable. As others have noted its performance ceiling is very similar to that of the 7x57mm. As always when using small bore rifles on large game, bullet selection and due consideration of how those projectiles will perform at varying distances are key. Shot placement as always should go without saying.
 
For context I recently “won” a 10 day trip to Limpopo delta. Looking at the safaris list of approved calibers. My trusty old Ruger m77 Hawkeye in 7mm-08 fits the bill being specifically listed. I currently shoot hand loads for white tails and wild boar in Mississippi. 140gr nosler BT with 39.5gr HVARGET powder. The hunt I won has plains game listed. Will this rifle leave me wanting more when I get there? I have take wild pigs with it over 300lbs. Pic for attention. Thanks in advance
You won't likely be shooting farther than about 150 yards, possibly 200, and probably mostly no farther than about 100 yards. Every 7mm bullet weight and accompanying MV will be flat at those distances. Go heavier - 156 Norma Oryx is the lightest I'd go with, otherwise a 160 - 175 gr hunting bullet of nearly any make will do the job.

7x57 firing 170 - 175 gr bullets at very modest 2300 - 2400 fps has been used with monotonous regularity to stack PG like cordwood for more than a century. 7mm-08 is a ballistic twin.
 
They like the bullets spinning faster than normal to help them open up and travel straight through the animal is my understanding.
The bullets have to spin faster because many of them are "heavy" and have very little bearing surface relative to bullet mass.

Stone Hammers have the most bearing surface, they'll always always show a slower twist rate being sufficient as opposed to Hammer Hunters.

All 3 of the following are 7mm bullets offered by Hammer.

155 gr Hammer Hunter, requires an 8.75 twist
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160 gr Stone Hammer, requires a 9.5 twist
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169 gr Hammer Hunter, requires an 8 twist
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It's glaringly evident that Stone Hammer's tangent ogive allows for a lot more bearing surface than either of the secant/hybrid ogives allow for Hammer Hunters.
 

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