Federal's 7mm Back Country - What is your opinion?

What is your Opinion of the new 7mm BC

  • Awesome - Next Mega Cartridge to hit the Market - Will buy one

    Votes: 5 4.9%
  • OK - I guess, I might buy one

    Votes: 5 4.9%
  • Meh - The answer to a question nobody asked - no plans to buy one

    Votes: 36 35.0%
  • Clearly a candidate for the next future Dead Cartridge - No for me

    Votes: 50 48.5%
  • No opinion

    Votes: 7 6.8%

  • Total voters
    103
Buddy at work bought one, hasn’t received it yet in a Christensen ridgeline. Smaller cartridge than I expected when I looked at the box of ammo on his desk. I have a 7 rem mag that shoots Berger 168’s to a .311 group and 175 partitions within .75. Plus a 28 nosler that I simply feel like it’s part of me, when I carry it. Hard pressed for another 7 in the battery.
 
I am in the category of an answer to a question that shouldn't be asked. The area it operates in is full of a bunch of rounds already. Honestly, I can't see enough difference between the 7mm PRC, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, or .28 Hornady for that matter for the 7 BC to exist.
 
I live in Pike County Illinois, a large whitetail hunting destination.
When I am harvesting in the fall and go to the farm store to get parts or supplies, I have trouble finding somewhere to park for all the lifted 3/4 diesel pickups with camper shells and stupid stickers. Once I get inside and collect my items I have to wait behind half a dozen 45-60 year old men wearing Sitka camouflage and Oakley sunglasses who seem to have nothing to do but be in the way.
These are the same men who brag about their new rifle in the latest caliber with a camouflage stock with threaded barrel.
We are the exception on AH, not the rule.

Well said. Here in eastern NC the same guys are duck hunting driving the same trucks - complete with said stickers and camo shotguns are also pulling a high priced duck boat of some description.
 
Those city slickers that dress funny and get in your way at the farm store spend millions of dollars in your communities. Ask the local farm & home retailer, the gas stations and the owner of the local diner if they value the out of town crowd. Bet they count on them for a significant portion of their yearly revenue. Ask your fellow land owners if they lease their ground to someone who lives out of town…and whether they value the fees those guys pay. The taxes on the stuff the City Guys buy go to fund your schools, maintain your roads, and conserve the wildlife on public and private lands alike.

As you may have guessed, I'm one of those guys who gets in your way at the farm store…..less the Oakleys and the Sitka gear. Me and my friends have an excellent relationship with the landowner who leases us his ground. I’ve had some acquaintances (of the past-acquaintance variety) who liked to make fun of the “yokels”. I had no patience for them, since I was the first generation in my family who did not grow up raising cotton.
 
@Doug3006 I know I generalized the situation and probably shouldn’t have. I know several of the out of state hunters are true gentlemen in every description of the word.
However many act like they are more important than their fellow man, and some even act like they are doing you a favor by being there. Several have a smug attitude that rubs anyone the wrong way.
I’ve found several headless deer carcasses in ditches. And most simply refuse to shoot a doe. They all have to plant food plots to add to the surplus population, then wonder why we get diseases.
As for the boost to the local economy, I feel that we could do without the inflated land prices.
While it’s true that some people have made their livelihood out of catering to the deer hunters, we are not dependent on them whatsoever.
The attitude of most really nullifies any good they can do.
 
Recently Federal announced their new 7mm Back Country. It is a high speed 7mm that produces magnum performance from a std action sized rifle without the need for belted cartridges. In fact it uses a proprietary Peak Alloy steel casing to enable rifles to fire 7mm ammo at significantly higher pressures (~80,000 CUP).

I own a 270 Win, a 7mm/08 and a 7mm Mag and am asking myself, "Why would I buy the new 7mmBC?" I am curious what you experienced hunters and riflemen from AH think about the new toy from Federal? I am not in the gun or ammo industry but have extensive hunting and shooting experience with a variety of rifles and ammo. For me Precision, Accuracy and Terminal performance are all more important than how fast or flat or short a cartridge may or may not be. I love Federal and their ammo is some of the best overall on the market but, This new offering has not blown me away.

My opinion? The 7mmBC is a likely barrel burner since it is running pressures about 20% higher than magnums. It is also a candidate for future dead cartridge of the year IMO if only because the proprietary steel case prevents other ammo suppliers from selling ammo for the new wundar-weapon. That is a recipe for future failure if it does not catch on fast, what is to keep Federal from killing it? How would Hornady, or Barnes or others make ammo for this new market? License the case design from Federal? Why would Federal give up their market position?

Example: I own a 338 Ruger Compact Magnum. It was developed by Ruger with Hornady to field a short action rifle that hits with the thump of a 338 Win Mag all with only a 20" bbl. What is not to like about that? Hornady claims 2750fps from 225g ammo and my Chrono backs that up with ave vel of 2725fps from my M77 Hawkeye. That is 97% of the speed gleaned from a 338WM and a 24" bbl. Impressive. The problem is the stellar speeds are achieved using Hornady's proprietary Superformance powder blending technology and nobody else on the planet could achieve those stunning results and so, nobody made ammo for the new cartridge except for Hornady. You can still get ammo for it but only in one flavor: Hornady 225g SST. I would love to load it with Barnes TSX or Nosler AB's but cannot get within 100fps of the factory loads. In mu opinion, within 10-15yrs the 7mmBC will be in the same ballpark. If you buy one, buy a lifetime supply of ammo for it. Not hard for a hunter. 10 boxes would last me a long time. Give us you opinion?

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I would fight the guess that it’s a barrel burner. While fire cracking from heat definitely affect bore life, the biggest factor in barrel wear is throat erosion, caused by the bullet cutting grooves into itself with the barrel. Being that the velocities are pretty similar to the 7mm rem mag, I’d bet money that the backcountry barrel life is within 10% of the rem mag. And since it’s getting there with less powder burnt, it might even have a bit better life.

The benefit of higher pressures is being able to burn less powder, less powder means less recoil.

I think it’s a good idea, I think a lot of people don’t like new ideas, and as such it most likely will be a commercial failure.
 
In the year of our Lord nineteen hundred twenty three, Winchester developed perfection and released it two years later. One hundred years on, I still see no reason to choose much else in its weight class, including high pressure guff like this. I vote future Dead Cartridge (and get off my lawn)... :)
Long live the .270 WINCHESTER!
 
@Doug3006 I know I generalized the situation and probably shouldn’t have. I know several of the out of state hunters are true gentlemen in every description of the word.
However many act like they are more important than their fellow man, and some even act like they are doing you a favor by being there. Several have a smug attitude that rubs anyone the wrong way.
I’ve found several headless deer carcasses in ditches. And most simply refuse to shoot a doe. They all have to plant food plots to add to the surplus population, then wonder why we get diseases.
As for the boost to the local economy, I feel that we could do without the inflated land prices.
While it’s true that some people have made their livelihood out of catering to the deer hunters, we are not dependent on them whatsoever.
The attitude of most really nullifies any good they can do.
Come on guys, I know Ozzy just passed but you all really don’t need to “ go off the rails on the crazy train”. Let’s get back on track.
 
Recently Federal announced their new 7mm Back Country. It is a high speed 7mm that produces magnum performance from a std action sized rifle without the need for belted cartridges. In fact it uses a proprietary Peak Alloy steel casing to enable rifles to fire 7mm ammo at significantly higher pressures (~80,000 CUP).

I own a 270 Win, a 7mm/08 and a 7mm Mag and am asking myself, "Why would I buy the new 7mmBC?" I am curious what you experienced hunters and riflemen from AH think about the new toy from Federal? I am not in the gun or ammo industry but have extensive hunting and shooting experience with a variety of rifles and ammo. For me Precision, Accuracy and Terminal performance are all more important than how fast or flat or short a cartridge may or may not be. I love Federal and their ammo is some of the best overall on the market but, This new offering has not blown me away.

My opinion? The 7mmBC is a likely barrel burner since it is running pressures about 20% higher than magnums. It is also a candidate for future dead cartridge of the year IMO if only because the proprietary steel case prevents other ammo suppliers from selling ammo for the new wundar-weapon. That is a recipe for future failure if it does not catch on fast, what is to keep Federal from killing it? How would Hornady, or Barnes or others make ammo for this new market? License the case design from Federal? Why would Federal give up their market position?

Example: I own a 338 Ruger Compact Magnum. It was developed by Ruger with Hornady to field a short action rifle that hits with the thump of a 338 Win Mag all with only a 20" bbl. What is not to like about that? Hornady claims 2750fps from 225g ammo and my Chrono backs that up with ave vel of 2725fps from my M77 Hawkeye. That is 97% of the speed gleaned from a 338WM and a 24" bbl. Impressive. The problem is the stellar speeds are achieved using Hornady's proprietary Superformance powder blending technology and nobody else on the planet could achieve those stunning results and so, nobody made ammo for the new cartridge except for Hornady. You can still get ammo for it but only in one flavor: Hornady 225g SST. I would love to load it with Barnes TSX or Nosler AB's but cannot get within 100fps of the factory loads. In mu opinion, within 10-15yrs the 7mmBC will be in the same ballpark. If you buy one, buy a lifetime supply of ammo for it. Not hard for a hunter. 10 boxes would last me a long time. Give us you opinion?

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@JG26Irish_2
Beats me why big companies want to try to re-invent the wheel. Very few proprietary cartridges live on. Weatherby and H&H are exceptions.
Other alphabet cartridges seem to have gone the way of the dodo. RCM, WSSM, 338 Federal, Lazzarini and a few others.
Bob
 
Great comments all. I will get to hunt with the 338RCM this fall and next year in TX and am looking forward to what it can do. It is not the most accurate rifle in my quiver but it does pack a punch. I chrono'ed some 225g factory SST ammo in it yesterday and they averaged 2725fps which is only 25fps slower than box speed and that is with a 20" bbl. It is also within 97% of the same speeds advertised for the 338 Win Mag using a 24" bbl. I was happy with it but just wish I could buy some ammo loaded with Accubond or Sciroccos at that same weight and speed. My PH in Africa uses SST in his 308 and loves em but the guide on the Texas Nilgai hunt called it a shit bullet that could not do the job on his tough ass Nilgai. But, he also called Barnes TSX a shit bullet. So, I don't really take his word as gospel, lol.

I can imagine a hunter who is planning a trip to Wyoming for Pronghorns, or the Eastern Cape or Free State for a Safari might?? see a value in the 7BC. But, if I already have a 7mm Mag or similar rifle, why would I spend the dough? I am capable of hitting steel tgts at 2 or 3 times my typical maximum hunting distances with some rifles. Even so, I make it my practice to limit my shots on game to about where the rifles projectile velocity drops to 2000fps. Why? Well, I figure that will insure that the bullet hits fast enough to expand reliably and penetrate all the way to the vitals on PG animals. This year in Free State, I took a 7mm/08 instead of my 7mm Mag simply because I liked the rifle and optic better and I also planned to hunt Limpopo on the same trip and did not want a long ass rifle up there. Plus my 7mm Mag was so long it did not fit in my hard case and would have required my to buy another hard case. The 7/08 was adequate on PG and was able to deliver its bullets at over 2000fps out to about 400y with all loads and close to 500y with my fastest load. None of my hunting shots were that far and the longest with that rifle was 314y on a Black WB.

My most modern DG cartridge rifle is in 375HH. I think that one might catch on. I limit it to 200y. I know there are hunters who can and do shoot game effectively at 500, even 600y with some guns. I watched a guy from Peru take about 12 animals on the Eastern Cape and some of his shots were out to like 680y and none of them took a 2nd shot. He had a top tier rifle, and top tier scope and knew exactly what he was doing and honestly, if you can perform like that every time, then more power to you and in those limited cases the 7mmBC might be a great choice. A 1/2moa rifle does expand your envelope some. I have a few of them and they make shooting long distance well very easy. I also have a few that struggle to shoot 2moa at 100y and they limit your shots to about 200y.

Still, that said, most of us are better hunters and are capable of stalking closer than 400y before we send it and owe it to the animal to grant it a quick and clean kill by doing so. Where does a 7BC fit into that Hunter Ethos? In my view it does not. Sometimes more is just more and is not necessarily better. I do not reload for hunting rifles because modern factory ammo is the best it has ever been and I do not shoot them enough to justify the time and expense for the dies, etc and the slight accuracy benefit is only meaningful when target shooting.

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@JG26Irish_2
The 338RCM ain't doing anything and is slower than a properly loaded Whelen with 225gn accubonds. The Whelen will give you 2,900fos out of. 24" tube and still over 2,800 fps out of a 21" tube. The shorter bolt throw for the RCM is no advantage in the real world. 12mm shorter throw makes no practical difference to me.
Bob
 
@JG26Irish_2
Beats me why big companies want to try to re-invent the wheel. Very few proprietary cartridges live on. Weatherby and H&H are exceptions.
Other alphabet cartridges seem to have gone the way of the dodo. RCM, WSSM, 338 Federal, Lazzarini and a few others.
Bob
A preowned Dakota is worth significantly more if it’s chambered in a standard cartridge, rather than one of Dakota’s proprietary cartridges. Yes, stop with the creation of new cartridges already!
 
The suppressed trend is only going to accelerate with the easing of restrictions/elimination of the $200 tax. I saw a truly unique rifle at the DSC summer show in Grapevine, Tx. It was a sub five pound rifle with a folding stock, suppressor, adjustable cheek rest and an 8 inch barrel. Yes eight inches. It fired a new cartridge. I cannot find what I kept from the show about it....would someone remind me what it was that I handled that day? Seems like IT was described as having a steel case for the cartridge, but not certain.
 
@JG26Irish_2
Beats me why big companies want to try to re-invent the wheel. Very few proprietary cartridges live on. Weatherby and H&H are exceptions.
Other alphabet cartridges seem to have gone the way of the dodo. RCM, WSSM, 338 Federal, Lazzarini and a few others.
Bob
I agree mostly. But the Ruger Compact Magnums in .300 and .338 give the same velocity out of a 20" barrel as MY .300 and .338 WINCHESTER MAGNUMS do with 26" barrels. I like my 26" barrels though, especially my Browning A Bolt .338 WINCHESTER MAGNUM, but if I can find a .338RCM Guide Gun at a reasonable price, I would buy it. I know where LOTS of factory .338RCM ammo (and thus brass) resides at pre Covid prices.
 
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A preowned Dakota is worth significantly more if it’s chambered in a standard cartridge, rather than one of Dakota’s proprietary cartridges. Yes, stop with the creation of new cartridges already!
They won't EVER stop though, because they need to sell more overpriced rifles and ammo to the clueless masses. The ammo and rifle manufacturers are and have been in cahoots for decades, or at least when the unneeded WSSMs and then the SAUMs became the latest and greatest things in the early 2000s and now they're virtually extinct. Same thing will happen to most of the current latest and greatest cartridges and the rifle owners will be left with a rifle and no ammo unless they can find brass/dies and reload, which may be 1% of the people who own those rifles with those obsolete cartridges.
 
Come on guys, I know Ozzy just passed but you all really don’t need to “ go off the rails on the crazy train”. Let’s get back on track.
I play "Crazy Train" when with my son in law and we're around my father in law. "Going off the rails on the Crazy Train!" LOL
 
I live in Pike County Illinois, a large whitetail hunting destination.
When I am harvesting in the fall and go to the farm store to get parts or supplies, I have trouble finding somewhere to park for all the lifted 3/4 diesel pickups with camper shells and stupid stickers. Once I get inside and collect my items I have to wait behind half a dozen 45-60 year old men wearing Sitka camouflage and Oakley sunglasses who seem to have nothing to do but be in the way.
These are the same men who brag about their new rifle in the latest caliber with a camouflage stock with threaded barrel.
We are the exception on AH, not the rule.
@Wyatt Smith
Ah, young grasshopper you to will fall into the 45-60 age group one day
But
You will still be hu
In the year of our Lord nineteen hundred twenty three, Winchester developed perfection and released it two years later. One hundred years on, I still see no reason to choose much else in its weight class, including high pressure guff like this. I vote future Dead Cartridge (and get off my lawn)... :)
@Uncontrolled_round_feed
All well and good.
BUT
in the year nineteen hundred and twenty two the greats Col Whelen and John C Howe released then penultimate in hunting perfection.
THE MIGHTY 35 WHELEN.
Therefore I postulate the Whelen achieved greatness before Winchester, so Winchester takes second place. Sorry no ceegar.
Bob
 
Well said brother. About 35yrs ago, I finally grew up and stopped hunting with black rifles and bought an old vintage Mauser custom in 270 Win and with the exception of the last two years, hunted successfully in the Eastern Deer woods every year. The only reason, I did not take it to Africa with me was that my PH said it was too small for PG and my rifle did not shoot the heavier 150g ammo as well as the 130g stuff and the PH was preaching heavy for caliber (generally good advice too). So, I took a 308 that worked great. After the PH saw me take five animals all with one shot, he said I could hunt with anything I wanted after that including a 243, lol. Count me in as a 270 fan.View attachment 701615
@JG26Irish_2
The prissy little 270 may have been developed in 1923 but it took Winchester another 2 years until 1925 to release it to the public in the model 54.
Meanwhile the even better 35 Whelen had been in the hunting field proving itself capable on ALL manner of big game for three years before the 270 even got a look in.
Bob
 
@JG26Irish_2
Beats me why big companies want to try to re-invent the wheel. Very few proprietary cartridges live on. Weatherby and H&H are exceptions.
Other alphabet cartridges seem to have gone the way of the dodo. RCM, WSSM, 338 Federal, Lazzarini and a few others.
Bob
338 Federal is one that I'd hoped would stick around, but had my doubts. My brother won an NRA raffle with a Kimber once and it's a nice shooter. ... nothing special about the cartridge itself really, juat nice to take a 308 case and simple neck up (or neck down like 7mm-08), the same as I love 25-06, 30-06, 35 Whelen. Of course, the bigger Long Action case does all options better, but theres a place for short action cartridges too.
 

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