Browning Love?

When I first saw these on GB in late March, I sent an email via “ask seller a question” inquiring where Reeds found these. I thought they were a batch of NOS from several years ago? Somebody from Reeds responded and basically said, “Well when you’re the largest Browning retailer in the country, Browning will do what you ask for”. So, Reeds had Browning make them a 50-60 rifle batch of these .375 Medallions for ONLY Reeds to sell. I was amazed, but I guess it’s done throughout the firearms industry with those types of special requests from time to time? Anyway, I responded and said if they could get Browning to make the same rifle in .338 WINCHESTER MAGNUM, I’d buy one too. No response but we shall see.

And that is another thing I like about Browning. They will do special runs like that. Another example is the White Gold Medallions. They make a limited number for distribution through Ahern Group.

It will be interesting to see if they ever come back around and start regularly producing the 375HH again.
 
And that is another thing I like about Browning. They will do special runs like that. Another example is the White Gold Medallions. They make a limited number for distribution through Ahern Group.

It will be interesting to see if they ever come back around and start regularly producing the 375HH again.
Per the Browning rep I emailed a year ago, she stated they dropped the .338 and .375 cartridge chamberings a couple years prior in their Hunter (blued/walnut) model X Bolt. I'd buy the .338 in the new X Bolt 2 Hunter (blued/walnut) model if they ever chambered it.
 
I recently received my .375 Browning X Bolt. I noticed the bolt has a M16 style extractor. I checked my other two X Bolts and same extractor. I then checked my .338 A Bolt and it has a different style extractor. I never have had any extraction issues with it though in 25+ years. I don’t remember seeing Browning emphasizing the M16 style extractor on their website for the X Bolts? Interesting. Left two photos A Bolt, right two X Bolt:
 

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This is my Browning FN Safari in 300 H&H, made in 1959 (I think the first year of production).
Very nice Safari grade in 300 H&H.
I have a Safari grade in 30/06 very nice rifle.
If I collected anything it would be Browning Safari grade rifles.
 
Since Reed’s was able to convince Browning to make a run of Medallion X Bolts in .375 H&H for THEM, how many here would buy the same in .458 Winchester Magnum? Years ago, Browning chambered their rifles in .458 so just wondering. I’d prefer a .458 Ruger in the Ruger M77 Hawkeye models, but that might not happen. Anyway, I’ve sent emails to both Reeds’ and Ruger requesting such so we’ll see what their responses are.
 
Since Reed’s was able to convince Browning to make a run of Medallion X Bolts in .375 H&H for THEM, how many here would buy the same in .458 Winchester Magnum? Years ago, Browning chambered their rifles in .458 so just wondering. I’d prefer a .458 Ruger in the Ruger M77 Hawkeye models, but that might not happen. Anyway, I’ve sent emails to both Reeds’ and Ruger requesting such so we’ll see what their responses are.

I'd possibly be interested. With that being said, I don't know if they possess the tooling or barrels, even stocks, to make something heavy enough to handle that caliber.

How many years ago are we talking? It had to be something they produced more than 10-15 years ago, at the least.

The 375HH Medallion I just received shocked me with how light it is. I'm sure it will be fine. To re-work a rifle into 458WM is going to be interesting.

Definitely let me know what they say.
 
I'd possibly be interested. With that being said, I don't know if they possess the tooling or barrels, even stocks, to make something heavy enough to handle that caliber.

How many years ago are we talking? It had to be something they produced more than 10-15 years ago, at the least.

The 375HH Medallion I just received shocked me with how light it is. I'm sure it will be fine. To re-work a rifle into 458WM is going to be interesting.

Definitely let me know what they say.
My scoped .338 WINCHESTER MAGNUM Browning A Bolt weighs 8.5lbs. My unscoped .375 HOLLAND and HOLLAND MAGNUM and .458 WINCHESTER MAGNUM CZ550s weighs 9.3lbs each. All are very shootable for ME just as they are. The X Bolts are 6.10-7.0lbs, same as the A Bolts. My .338WM's felt recoil to ME is even a little more "snappier" than the slightly heavier .375 CZ550. I haven't shot MY .375 Medallion yet as it has no sights and I'm deciding on a scope for it. I think at 8.5lbs scoped it will be fine. I believe Browning/FN produced their African models in .458WM in the '60s and early '70s? I think the earlier ones had CRF actions too? Maybe somebody here with knowledge of the earlier Brownings could chime in.
 
I don't recall them making the .458 in the A-bolt. They did however offer it in the BBR which was the predesessor to the Abolt and a slightly heavier rifle than the A-bolt.
 
In the market for a 375 and have been looking for an M70 but these caught my attention. Any reason I should pick the Browning over the M70? Never owned a browning rifle.

I suppose the Reeds sale is over or is there a code for $999? I do see they currently have a $75 rebate going, making it $1124 at least.

Anybody have a weight on these? Not seeing it listed.
 
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In the market for a 375 and have been looking for an M70 but these caught my attention. Any reason I should pick the Browning over the M70? Never owned a browning rifle.

I suppose the Reeds sale is over or is there a code for $999?
If your intention is to hunt DG, I’d buy a CRF M70 or even a Ruger M77 Hawkeye model. OR find a good used CZ550. I only bought the .375 Medallion because I’ve always wanted a blued/wood Browning .375 and they stopped making those and in .338WM about three years ago in the X Bolt and a number of years before that in the A Bolt. Browning has a new $75 rebate out for the X Bolts so Reed’s again put the price at $1199. Still a great price IMO considering what I’ve seen on the used market for a synthetic A or X Bolt in .375.
 
My scoped .338 WINCHESTER MAGNUM Browning A Bolt weighs 8.5lbs. My unscoped .375 HOLLAND and HOLLAND MAGNUM and .458 WINCHESTER MAGNUM CZ550s weighs 9.3lbs each. All are very shootable for ME just as they are. The X Bolts are 6.10-7.0lbs, same as the A Bolts. My .338WM's felt recoil to ME is even a little more "snappier" than the slightly heavier .375 CZ550. I haven't shot MY .375 Medallion yet as it has no sights and I'm deciding on a scope for it. I think at 8.5lbs scoped it will be fine. I believe Browning/FN produced their African models in .458WM in the '60s and early '70s? I think the earlier ones had CRF actions too? Maybe somebody here with knowledge of the earlier Brownings could chime in.
As you can see by my username and avatar - I’m a big fan of the early Browning Belgian guns, and own a number of them. To shed some light on this earlier post, Browning imported these guns into the US under their name from 1959 - 1974. All made by FN. FN also marketed the exact same gun (in all configs and calibers) for the non-US market and simply omitted the “Browning” rollmark (BTW these can be had for significantly less than a Browning marked gun often times).

The only large “safari” calibers produced were .375 H&H and .458 win mag. They featured FN Mauser commercial CRF actions exclusively from 1959-1965ish, when they started converting to the “FN Supreme” action that was not CRF (push feed with a Sako-style extractor - ostensibly to save cost). All .270 and 30-06 guns were produced with CRF for the entire production run until ‘74, but other standard and long-action calibers were converted to the push feed action starting in ‘64/65 and were basically fully converted by 1966. I say “basically” because FN can always fool you and slip in a variant here and there so never say never. I have not personally seen a .375 or .458 with CRF made after ‘65, but a few may exist.

The 375s and 458s were made in all three configurations (Safari (base), Medallion (mid) and Olympian (top)). Of course, there were the infamous “dark years” of salt-cured wood that most heavily impacted the mid and upper level guns from ‘69 to ‘72 but salt wood can be found on all models from about ‘68 to ‘74 so be careful when you find that bargain. . .there are test kits available for about $10 that will save you untold heartache. Their serial number system is very easy to decode as well, with numerous resources on the web.

The short action calibers (except very early guns, which were small ring Mauser) were produced on Sako actions and are absolutely wonderful guns too.

These guns, even today, are wonderful bargains. In the base model config, you can find superb examples in virtually any caliber for under $2,000. I bought another .458 WM base model four months ago for $1,050 and it looks barely used from 1960 (thus, CRF and no salt). There is no better bargain on the planet of guns, IMO. Rare calibers (308 Norma, 284 win, etc) will go for significantly more, Medallions are in the $3-$4k range depending on caliber and the Olympians are $6k to $12k+ also depending on caliber and engraver name. All of these ranges assume a nice example, not a beater.

I will say that the .458 guns are a little light for caliber making them jumpy to shoot with full loads but carrying one in the field sure is nice . . .

I hope this was interesting/helpful. I’m planning to write an updated article about these guns someday and have been collecting data for some time.

Thanks for indulging me, everyone!

Darin

P.s. - I also own BBRs, A-Bolts and X-Bolts and all of them are top-notch, in case an early gun isn’t your thing.
 
I was able to finally mount the Leupold Patrol 6HD I bought from @EuroOptic on the Medallion 375HH. I used Talley Lightweight Alloy integrated bases and mounts. This is my first time going with the low height mounts. Little bit different feel to the 24mm scope with low mounts but I think I can get used to it.

So far, I'm very happy with how this came together.

Xbolt 375HH.jpg


Rifle: $1080 after rebate.
Scope: $930 shipped
Rings: $45 from eBay, new

So for just over $2,000 I have a seemingly capable, brand new production, 375HH.
 
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I was able to finally mount the Leupold Patrol 6HD I bought from @EuroOptic on the Medallion 375HH. I used Talley Lightweight Alloy integrated bases and mounts. This is my first time going with the low height mounts. Little bit different feel to the 24mm scope with low mounts but I think I can get used to it.

So far, I'm very happy with how this came together.

View attachment 690635

Rifle: $1080 after rebate.
Scope: $930 shipped
Rings: $45 from eBay, new

So for just over $2,000 I have a seemingly capable 375HH.

That will get it done for you!
 
My scoped .338 WINCHESTER MAGNUM Browning A Bolt weighs 8.5lbs. My unscoped .375 HOLLAND and HOLLAND MAGNUM and .458 WINCHESTER MAGNUM CZ550s weighs 9.3lbs each. All are very shootable for ME just as they are. The X Bolts are 6.10-7.0lbs, same as the A Bolts. My .338WM's felt recoil to ME is even a little more "snappier" than the slightly heavier .375 CZ550. I haven't shot MY .375 Medallion yet as it has no sights and I'm deciding on a scope for it. I think at 8.5lbs scoped it will be fine. I believe Browning/FN produced their African models in .458WM in the '60s and early '70s? I think the earlier ones had CRF actions too? Maybe somebody here with knowledge of the earlier Brownings could chime in.

I will actually get around to weighing the Medallion 375HH with the Leupold Patrol 6HD and post it up on here. It definitely seemed a bit on the light side. Worst case scenario, I could have a recoil reducer fitted in the stock if need be.

I was concerned initially about the recoil from my White Gold Medallion with the 300WM. That proved to be really manageable. My Ruger No 1 in 458WM is punishing.

Very curious to see where this 375HH fits in that spectrum.

The 338WM is definitely a bit of a different animal than the 375HH from what I understand.
 
As you can see by my username and avatar - I’m a big fan of the early Browning Belgian guns, and own a number of them. To shed some light on this earlier post, Browning imported these guns into the US under their name from 1959 - 1974. All made by FN. FN also marketed the exact same gun (in all configs and calibers) for the non-US market and simply omitted the “Browning” rollmark (BTW these can be had for significantly less than a Browning marked gun often times).

The only large “safari” calibers produced were .375 H&H and .458 win mag. They featured FN Mauser commercial CRF actions exclusively from 1959-1965ish, when they started converting to the “FN Supreme” action that was not CRF (push feed with a Sako-style extractor - ostensibly to save cost). All .270 and 30-06 guns were produced with CRF for the entire production run until ‘74, but other standard and long-action calibers were converted to the push feed action starting in ‘64/65 and were basically fully converted by 1966. I say “basically” because FN can always fool you and slip in a variant here and there so never say never. I have not personally seen a .375 or .458 with CRF made after ‘65, but a few may exist.

The 375s and 458s were made in all three configurations (Safari (base), Medallion (mid) and Olympian (top)). Of course, there were the infamous “dark years” of salt-cured wood that most heavily impacted the mid and upper level guns from ‘69 to ‘72 but salt wood can be found on all models from about ‘68 to ‘74 so be careful when you find that bargain. . .there are test kits available for about $10 that will save you untold heartache. Their serial number system is very easy to decode as well, with numerous resources on the web.

The short action calibers (except very early guns, which were small ring Mauser) were produced on Sako actions and are absolutely wonderful guns too.

These guns, even today, are wonderful bargains. In the base model config, you can find superb examples in virtually any caliber for under $2,000. I bought another .458 WM base model four months ago for $1,050 and it looks barely used from 1960 (thus, CRF and no salt). There is no better bargain on the planet of guns, IMO. Rare calibers (308 Norma, 284 win, etc) will go for significantly more, Medallions are in the $3-$4k range depending on caliber and the Olympians are $6k to $12k+ also depending on caliber and engraver name. All of these ranges assume a nice example, not a beater.

I will say that the .458 guns are a little light for caliber making them jumpy to shoot with full loads but carrying one in the field sure is nice . . .

I hope this was interesting/helpful. I’m planning to write an updated article about these guns someday and have been collecting data for some time.

Thanks for indulging me, everyone!

Darin

P.s. - I also own BBRs, A-Bolts and X-Bolts and all of them are top-notch, in case an early gun isn’t your thing.
Thanks very much for the detailed explanation of the early Brownings! I’ve looked at them online but am wary of the “salt wood” guns as most are “buy-as is”. If one could get the serial number I guess that might mitigate that issue?
 
Thanks very much for the detailed explanation of the early Brownings! I’ve looked at them online but am wary of the “salt wood” guns as most are “buy-as is”. If one could get the serial number I guess that might mitigate that issue?
Yes, very much. For the salt years, the serial # pattern was like this:

1967: 7L ####
1968: 8L ####
1969: #### L69
1970: #### L70 (and so on for 71-74)

The #s denote the production sequence. L denotes the base model Safari grade. The medallion grade used an X instead of an L (most of the time) and the later Olympian grades used a P instead of an L (most of the time). From 62-68, they used the same format shown above for 67/68. From 59-61 it was just L####.

If you can negotiate an inspection period and test the barrel channel with one of the nitrate test kits, that’s another assurance but to your point most sellers will not allow.

Many salt guns are quite obvious with rust around the action, in the barrel channel and the through-bolts. It should be noted that Browning offered to replace (for free) any salt stock after the problem was discovered so that’s why you can find many 67-74 guns without salt issues because Browning re-stocked them.

Good luck!
 
As you can see by my username and avatar - I’m a big fan of the early Browning Belgian guns, and own a number of them. To shed some light on this earlier post, Browning imported these guns into the US under their name from 1959 - 1974. All made by FN. FN also marketed the exact same gun (in all configs and calibers) for the non-US market and simply omitted the “Browning” rollmark (BTW these can be had for significantly less than a Browning marked gun often times).

The only large “safari” calibers produced were .375 H&H and .458 win mag. They featured FN Mauser commercial CRF actions exclusively from 1959-1965ish, when they started converting to the “FN Supreme” action that was not CRF (push feed with a Sako-style extractor - ostensibly to save cost). All .270 and 30-06 guns were produced with CRF for the entire production run until ‘74, but other standard and long-action calibers were converted to the push feed action starting in ‘64/65 and were basically fully converted by 1966. I say “basically” because FN can always fool you and slip in a variant here and there so never say never. I have not personally seen a .375 or .458 with CRF made after ‘65, but a few may exist.

The 375s and 458s were made in all three configurations (Safari (base), Medallion (mid) and Olympian (top)). Of course, there were the infamous “dark years” of salt-cured wood that most heavily impacted the mid and upper level guns from ‘69 to ‘72 but salt wood can be found on all models from about ‘68 to ‘74 so be careful when you find that bargain. . .there are test kits available for about $10 that will save you untold heartache. Their serial number system is very easy to decode as well, with numerous resources on the web.

The short action calibers (except very early guns, which were small ring Mauser) were produced on Sako actions and are absolutely wonderful guns too.

These guns, even today, are wonderful bargains. In the base model config, you can find superb examples in virtually any caliber for under $2,000. I bought another .458 WM base model four months ago for $1,050 and it looks barely used from 1960 (thus, CRF and no salt). There is no better bargain on the planet of guns, IMO. Rare calibers (308 Norma, 284 win, etc) will go for significantly more, Medallions are in the $3-$4k range depending on caliber and the Olympians are $6k to $12k+ also depending on caliber and engraver name. All of these ranges assume a nice example, not a beater.

I will say that the .458 guns are a little light for caliber making them jumpy to shoot with full loads but carrying one in the field sure is nice . . .

I hope this was interesting/helpful. I’m planning to write an updated article about these guns someday and have been collecting data for some time.

Thanks for indulging me, everyone!

Darin

P.s. - I also own BBRs, A-Bolts and X-Bolts and all of them are top-notch, in case an early gun isn’t your thing.
This is a great write-up, and thank you for sharing. I simply adore the older Browning Hi-Power rifles, and am blessed to have a few of them. Interestingly, one is a 308 Norma Mag dated 1968 (8L xxxxx) and a CRF action, so perhaps it's one of those that FN slipped in(?).
 

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