Aid to Zambia Cut

[Hogpatrol]

Stealing, it's a culture ingrained in African politics.

Technical Difficulties

 

[gcbailey]

Stealing, it's a culture ingrained in African politics.

Technical Difficulties

Unfortunately, it's the same in Europe. America isn't free of it either, just more subtle. I would argue that you show me a government, and I'll show you corruption.

 

[Foxi]

Unfortunately, it's the same in Europe. America isn't free of it either, just more subtle. I would argue that you show me a government, and I'll show you corruption.

That's not true.
the most incompetent countries are those at the end of the corruption index(CPI).
Denmark f.e. and many other countries are in a very different position to Somalia and the like.

 

[gcbailey]

That's not true.
the most incompetent countries are those at the end of the corruption index(CPI).
Denmark f.e. and many other countries are in a very different position to Somalia and the like.

I didn't imply they were on the same level of corruption, but there is corruption within any government. It isn't a matter of saying who is corrupt, but who is NOT corrupt. And no government is. Denmark scored low, but not perfect.

 

[spike.t]

I would say something but with our new cyber laws will keep mouth shut..

 

[spike.t]

As its BBC ..but won't comment on my opinion

Zambia says it is tackling 'systematic' theft after US slashes medical aid

The US scraps more than $50m worth of malaria, HIV and TB drug donations, saying they are being stolen.

www.bbc.com

 

[gcbailey]

I would say something but with our new cyber laws will keep mouth shut..

I saw an embassy notice warning travelers about that.

 

[spike.t]

I saw an embassy notice warning travelers about that.

Yup....also a follow up from government here saying it was not what embassy said......in news here people been charged already....

 

[Hogpatrol]

In this chart, most of Europe looks good, not so much African countries.

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2024/index/mng

 

[gcbailey]

In this chart, most of Europe looks good, not so much African countries.

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2024/index/mng

Relooking at my original post, I should have worded it differently. The OP stated that theft in Zambia is why the U.S. was removing aide. Perhaps that is true. I agree that most (certainly not where I am) of Europe looks great comparatively with the rest of the world. The U.S. looks pretty good too. However, before we pat ourselves on the back, we are far from perfect ourselves and should look to remove our own problems before we point the finger at other nations. Disclaimer: this in no way is an argument that we should continue providing millions of dollars to any country.

 

[coreydb]

When the majority of the country's population is below the poverty line, it's not hard to understand why this level of corruption occurs-even with "free" health care services. People need money to live. Sure, as long as man rules, corruption lives, because man is fallible. It's sad, it downright sucks.

 

[gcbailey]

as long as man rules, corruption lives, because man is fallible.

THIS! ^

 

[Brent in Az]

That's what happens when a country takes advantage of someone elses good will

 

[Pasme]

Unfortunately, it's the same in Europe. America isn't free of it either, just more subtle. I would argue that you show me a government, and I'll show you corruption.

the just past U.S admin... oohh sweet lord. some serious and unrepairable damages has been done.

 

[spike.t]

https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-and-soda/2025/05/09/g-s1-65236/u-s-ambassador-drugs-zambia-cried-michael-gonzales

 

[Hogpatrol]

According to that article, $600 million annually to Zambia. No wonder we're broke and compared to forty years ago, the dollar is only worth ten cents. Trump needs to cut all of that too.

 

[FlyGuy]

Africa and corruption go together like PB&J.

 

[flatwater bill]

According to Meta, "Zambia receives approximately $600 million annually from the US"......so there will be plenty more new millionaires after the "cut"...........FWB

 

[Hogpatrol]

The eggheads are worried about China getting its digs in on Africa. They'll eventually learn who wrote the book on corruption and theft.

 

[steve white]

The eggheads are worried about China getting its digs in on Africa. They'll eventually learn who wrote the book on corruption and theft.

Correct, AND the communists have already had a taste of how Africa receives communism, i.e. Mozambique back in the day. The collective/community farms were not worked. Men had rather run off into the bush than work in a garden meant to benefit everyone. They will take from government, but not willingly give to it. I had thought the commies gave up after Moz and Angola. I think China is after minerals and raw materials, not changing minds and hearts....with probable ruthlessness ahead. Maybe China has some future "post-colonial" days ahead, as well.