Mannlicher Schoenauer M.1925 High Velocity model proofed 1929 Vienna 7x64mm

[Aron50]

I am a new member and have joined the forum for information on Mannlicher Schoenauer M.1925 rifles. I have what appears to be a completely original one with about 95% blueing but the stock is rough and has a crack by the magazine. Apparently it will need to have the stock glassed and lugs bedded to prevent further damage if it is to be shot. I am looking for any recommendations on possible value as I believe this one should probably be sold since I don't hunt and I already have multiple hunting rifles which cover this caliber (well above and below it). I was impressed too see what appears to be the original cleaning rod still in the stock. I believe I have scope mounts to the rifle but I have to unearth them and verify. Bore looks very crisp and clear. I would love to clean the stock but I am resisting anything aside from basic maintenance.

 

[Brian Rothhammer]

Welcome to the forum, you may find this thread to be of interest: https://www.africahunting.com/threa...908-m1910-m1924-m1925-or-high-velocity.47277/

 

[Aron50]

Welcome to the forum, you may find this thread to be of interest: https://www.africahunting.com/threads/mannlicher-schönauer-prewar-m1900-m1903-m1905-m1908-m1910-m1924-m1925-or-high-velocity.47277/

Thank you, that was a great thread. It's one of the reasons I decided to open an account in this forum since I do not hunt. I noticed the MS calibers seem to be more popular to the collectors. Kind of the opposite for me as the 7 x 64 is attractive since it is really available. I'm guessing this rifle will just become a shooter but I dislike the idea of doing anything to it before I verify that there isn't someone looking to keep this in original condition. To me getting the stock glassed and the lug bedded seems like it would damage the value of the unrestored rifle. I realize this forum is probably more for individuals who use their rifles but was looking for recommendations which may be different from the other forums I'm on.

I appreciate you sharing that link.

 

[SaintPanzer]

Two thoughts: The first is the Nitro Express forum has a dedicated Mannlicher sub forum. You should try there as well.

My second thought is if you're worried about damaging the value of the unrestored rifle by fixing its stock, why not have a duplicate stock made?

 

[Brian Rothhammer]

Two thoughts: The first is the Nitro Express forum has a dedicated Mannlicher sub forum. You should try there as well.

My second thought is if you're worried about damaging the value of the unrestored rifle by fixing its stock, why not have a duplicate stock made?

Yes, and yes.

 

[MontanaGrant]

Do you have a better picture of the crack?

I ask as a friend has developed a method of repair that works incredibly well and holds together on rough recoiling rifles, such as the Winchester 1907 auto-loader and A5 shotgun forends which are thin wood and have a reputation for cracking, and also on heavier recoil rifles.

He warms the wood and warms the epoxy, then injects with the tiniest gauge needle he can, sometimes BARELY trimming the wood open to allow the tip in and pressure-fill the gap. He uses bow epoxy, for laminating layers together to produce a bow. It holds a bond far better than anything I've found.

That is a beautiful rifle. You don't see the high velocity mannlichers that often,.

 

[Major Bonkers]

Herr Miedler is the man to go to for Mannlicher-Schönauer parts: https://shop.miedler-waffen.at/Mannlicher-Schoenauer

He may be able to fit you up with a new stock.

In the UK, there are two gunsmiths who specialise in these rifles and might be able to source a stock for you instead of having one made up:

https://basctradedirectory.org.uk/listings/c-h-haygarth-sons-gun-and-rifle-makers/

https://www.john-dickson.com/

That said, having squinted at your picture, I am at a loss to see the crack. Unless it is particularly severe, I should suggest that the rifle is quite adequate to shoot.

The 'scope mounting looks to be a standard Recknagel claw mount. It is a pity that it has been added as 'scopes do not really work on this rifle because of the rear split bridge, which tend to require them to be mounted awkwardly high.

Terry Wieland has a chapter on this rifle in his book Great Hunting Rifles: Victorian to the Present - $20 from Amazon.

Please do let us know how you get on.

 

[Aron50]

Two thoughts: The first is the Nitro Express forum has a dedicated Mannlicher sub forum. You should try there as well.

My second thought is if you're worried about damaging the value of the unrestored rifle by fixing its stock, why not have a duplicate stock made?

Yeah, after market stock is only $300 then I can fit it to the rifle (and apply all the BLO or glass I please). Fortunately I have a 1903 full stock which had a shattered / repaired butt which I'm going to keep as a shooter since it's carbine length.

 

[Aron50]

Do you have a better picture of the crack?

I ask as a friend has developed a method of repair that works incredibly well and holds together on rough recoiling rifles, such as the Winchester 1907 auto-loader and A5 shotgun forends which are thin wood and have a reputation for cracking, and also on heavier recoil rifles.

He warms the wood and warms the epoxy, then injects with the tiniest gauge needle he can, sometimes BARELY trimming the wood open to allow the tip in and pressure-fill the gap. He uses bow epoxy, for laminating layers together to produce a bow. It holds a bond far better than anything I've found.

That is a beautiful rifle. You don't see the high velocity mannlichers that often,.

Zoom in on the right hand side view just in front of where the bolt handle sits when closed. They are pretty fragile around the magazine apparently.

 

[Aron50]

Zoom in on the right hand side view just in front of where the bolt handle sits when closed. They are pretty fragile around the magazine apparently.

Do you have a better picture of the crack?

I ask as a friend has developed a method of repair that works incredibly well and holds together on rough recoiling rifles, such as the Winchester 1907 auto-loader and A5 shotgun forends which are thin wood and have a reputation for cracking, and also on heavier recoil rifles.

He warms the wood and warms the epoxy, then injects with the tiniest gauge needle he can, sometimes BARELY trimming the wood open to allow the tip in and pressure-fill the gap. He uses bow epoxy, for laminating layers together to produce a bow. It holds a bond far better than anything I've found.

That is a beautiful rifle. You don't see the high velocity mannlichers that often,.

This sounds like the kind of repair this could use!

 

[Brian Rothhammer]

Zoom in on the right hand side view just in front of where the bolt handle sits when closed. They are pretty fragile around the magazine apparently.

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Ouch.