Tim Sundles 4 shots of 600 NE into Buffalo

[Tim Sundles]

ok,

i counted 6 shots, AND on his first shot, when he reloaded, he put 2 rounds in the gun so he might have shot another shot but edited it out. i only saw 2 bullets hit the bull, one high and back lungs, one in the guts. i did see a bullet hole in the rear of the lungs. regardless, only good hits count. but, 7 shots (or 6) even with a 600 nitro, not in vitals just makes for a high shot count and cape buffalo are notoriously tough anyway.

I shot six times. One miss. THe other five were all lethal. He had two holes through both lungs, a broken off shoulder, twice and one hole through his heart. The angle of the camera, is not the angle of the shooter. When I shoot solids into a buffs body (which I have done many many times) I shoot to break the off shoulder. This buffalo was quartering away, so I had to shoot him in the guts to break the off shoulder.

 

[Tim Sundles]

The spade has been called….yep it’s a spade! Nice one @IvW nothing like a good short answer!

Wrong. I shot him five times fatally and have killed many buff with the 600 Nitro. I did miss once because my foot slipped of a rock as I pulled the trigger on a steep hillside. All the other buff I've shot with the 600 fell over dead with one or two shots. This guy did not want to die.

 

[Tim Sundles]

I'll take everyone's word for it that the video is a joke. Don't want to give another phony influencer a hit for his view numbers. I trip on enough bad examples on YouTube inadvertently. Agree that this is not the best way to advertise his product. In fact, I can't think of a worse way. Stupid. Should I by ammo from a stupid guy? Hmmm. Let me think on that ... for a split second.

So many ignorant and uninformed opinions here. First, he was hit five times fatally. Remember, the camera angle is not the shooters angle. When I body shoot cape buffalo with a solid (I've killed over 40 of them, have you?) I shoot for the off shoulder, which at his quartering angle, means in the guts, and that bullet did break his off should, BTW. He had two holes through both lungs, one hole through his heart and two holes through that off shoulder.

 

[Tim Sundles]

I agree, the group he shot was bigger than the buffalo…. Which takes some doing!!!
Unfortunately that’s what happens when somebody is showboating as Billy Big Balls with too much gun for his abilities and not enough judgement. I’m not impressed by either the hunter, the calibre or the ammunition based on that video.

I do not understand why folks want to be rude, unless they are simply jealous and making rude statements falsely makes them feel big. 1) the camera angle is not the shooters angle, duh! 2) he had five fatal hits of six shots. Two holes through both lungs, one hole through his heart and two holes through his off shoulder. When I body shoot buf with a solid, I aim for the off shoulder, which at his quartering angle meant I had to gut shoot him to break that shoulder. I have killed a good 40+ cape buffalo, many with the 600 NE. Most that are shot with a 600 NE, simply die right there and right now. This one did not, which was why I posted the video as it is an anomaly. I did not think that mindless and rude people would call me "Billy Big Balls" or other rude things. Why not try to be kind and ask questions instead of making yourself feel bigger by being rude? How many cape buff have you killed???

 

[Tim Sundles]

Hahaha,,, ok you’ve got me there … I am a bit impressed with the .600NE.
However it looked like the buffalo wasn’t faded by the hits at all which wasn’t impressive. Even my lowly .375 dropped a buff with a single shot

I've killed 40+ cape buff, many with the 600 Nitro. This bull was hit fatally 5 times out of six. He had two holes through his lungs, one hole through is heart and two through his off shoulder. When I body shoot cape buff, I aim for the off shoulder, which at his quartering angle, meant gut shots for tow of those shots, which both went through his off shoulder just as planned.

 

[Tim Sundles]

I watched the video three times, trying to understand the approximate range.
From my armchair buffalo hunter view, I can't understand why the "hunter" didn't get closer.
From the camera angle (and those can be very tricky), it appears possible to get a little closer, behind some small trees. 70 yards to 40 yards? I can't know, I wasn't there.
But, after shooting the first two shots, then taking his time, and talking to the camera, the delay is not understandable.
The buff was not running or charging.
Don't let the animal suffer, move in closer, finish off the hunt. He keeps shooting from the same distance. Why?

I can't understand this, he's standing in open area, apparently undetected. Move closer behind the small trees, for a much needed more accurate shot. I KNOW I cannot be accurate with a 600 NE load. I've shot my .500 Jeffery CZ 550 with 570 grain Woodleigh softs at 2150 fps and 4 shots are enough for me. I couldn't hit a damn thing after that. I sold it to another AH member. .458 Win Mag is my accuracy tested limit.

Promotional videos are essential in marketing, and I understand Buffalo Bore's owner featuring his private reserve. I like Buffalo Bore ammo (I have used the .44 magnum, 305 grain flat nose hard cast lead) in my Winchester (Miroku) 1892 rifle. Good ammo.

But this video was uninspiring on many levels.

People are funny. The first shot was at 35 yards. I did not go closer as I was out of cover and 35 yards is plenty close. The other shots were between 45 and 60 yards. He was FATALLY hit 5 times out of six. I have killed around 40 cape buffalo with various cartridges and rifles. This guy did not want to die. He had two holes through both lungs, one hole through his heart and two holes through his off shoulder. When I body shoot buffalo with solids I aim at the off shoulder, which at this quartering angle, meant I had to gut shoot him, which did make a hole through his off shoulder, twice.

 

[Tim Sundles]

DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE SHOT, I CLICKED OFF AT THE FENCE.

That bull was more than a mile from any fence except the one surrounding the managers house and orchard and that fence is only there to keep animals out of his yard and kudu out of the pecans.

 

[TOBY458]

I've killed 40+ cape buff, many with the 600 Nitro. This bull was hit fatally 5 times out of six. He had two holes through his lungs, one hole through is heart and two through his off shoulder. When I body shoot cape buff, I aim for the off shoulder, which at his quartering angle, meant gut shots for tow of those shots, which both went through his off shoulder just as planned.

Don’t pay these people any attention Tim. I thoroughly enjoy your videos and find them very informative. Keep posting!

 

[Tim Sundles]

This is nothing new. I've seen it over and over again. The myth of needing to shoot buffalo with solids is likely to blame. Put a TSX or two into him and done!

I've killed many cape buffalo with the TSX and it works well as you stated. However, Barnes does not make the TSX in .62 caliber.

 

[Tim Sundles]

Don’t pay these people any attention Tim. I thoroughly enjoy your videos and find them very informative. Keep posting!

It seems that mortal humans only feel good if they are being rude. No one was there but me and the camera man. I can tell you that bull was fatally shot 5 times out of 6. I can also say, I've killed about40 Cape buffalo and more than one was charging. If anyone here has killed 40 some odd cape buffalo, come forward. This on simply did not want to die, which was why I posted the video. I did not count on the inherent rudeness and ignorance of the human race.

 

[Tim Sundles]

I disagree. Effectiveness really does not factor into the popularity (real or imagined) of big bore doubles. It's the nostalgia. Dudes who want to play act Hemingway or Granger. Weatherby overblown magnums succeeded in North America because the market there was, and still is, more inclined to innovation gimmicks than nostalgic imagery. Even if his rifles had been designed more in line with classic British bolt DGR rifles (i.e. fancy wood & bluing, external crossbolts, CRF actions, correct chambering, heavier rifles, etc.) the competition in that field was unbeatable. Even if Weatherby's cartridges were superior and his rifles had not been flawed, I just can't see how he could have pushed his way into the African scene effectively. It's not a market that is attracted to new gimmicks, regardless of effectiveness. That's rather obvious from what I'm reading on this forum.

Interesting Mr. Ontario. How many head of dangerous game have you killed with big doubles?????? In close range "crunch" situations, two fast shots have kept me alive....where a magazine rifle would have me dead......have you been there and done that? I think people are big talkers and small thinkers. Unless you have tons of experience, it is best to listen and not talk.

 

[Tim Sundles]

Makes you wonder why anyone would post it for the World to see?

I'll tell you why. First, that buff was fatally hit 5 times out of six shots. Twice through both lungs, once through the heart and twice through the off shoulder. Remember (or maybe you never knew) that the camera angle is rarely the shooters angle. In order to break his off shoulder at his quartering angle, I had to gut shoot him, which did break his off shoulder. but if you have not been there and done that (I have a good 40 cape buffalo to my credit) you would not understand, which you clearly did not.

 

[Hunter-Habib]

So, Ive killed at least 40 Cape Buffalo, with all sorts of calibers and rifles. Do not tell me what I'd be better served with, if you have not been there and done that several times. I posted this video because of the anomaly of the bull not falling down dead with one shot. When I shoot solids into the body, I shoot to break the off shoulder, which at this bulls angle (not the camera mans angle, but the shooters angle) meant I had to gut shoot him, which I did and which did break his off shoulder, twice. He also had a hole through his heart and two holes through both lungs. Still, he acted the way he did.

You know, I’ve actually spoken very favorably & supportively of you & your products on these forums for quite a few years now.

Just a word of friendly advice. Next time you post a video like this for the whole international hunting community to see & scrutinize, you might want to consider adding the postmortem in your video. It would prevent a lot of speculation by getting the audience to see the whole picture.

And by the way, this isn’t a pissing contest. But I’ve killed 19 myself so far.

 

[TOBY458]

It seems that mortal humans only feel good if they are being rude. No one was there but me and the camera man. I can tell you that bull was fatally shot 5 times out of 6. I can also say, I've killed about40 Cape buffalo and more than one was charging. If anyone here has killed 40 some odd cape buffalo, come forward. This on simply did not want to die, which was why I posted the video. I did not count on the inherent rudeness and ignorance of the human race.

It’s crazy how some buffalo seem to just take shot after shot with hardly any effect. I’ve taken 8 buffalo and a couple of elephants, and other than brain shots, I’ve never had a buffalo or elephant simply topple over, no matter how well the shot was placed. They seem to take a lot of killing at times!
Ever since I watched Mark Sullivan using the 600 in his old videos, I’ve always wanted to shoot one. In fact watching those old videos was the catalyst for me wanting to hunt DG in Africa. I’ve been hooked on DG hunting ever since!

 

[Tim Sundles]

Folks, the ignorant (flat out wrong misread of the camera angle) and rude comments on this forum, mostly by folks that cannot tell what happened, will keep me from ever posting anything here ever again. I did not post this video here to start with, someone else, that I do not know, did that. If you feel good by inaccurately blasting another human, you should reconsider. That buff was fatally hit 5 times out of six shots, but the shooters angle was not the camera angle. I hunt these buffalo alone with no PH and have killed about 40 of them, with numerous rifles. This buff did not want to die, which is why I posted the video on my site, not this site. I found him to be anomalous and that is interesting to me. I've killed others with the 600 Nitro and they died easily. I've also killed a pot full of plains game with the 600 Nitro. They are easy for me to hit with, off hand. I own three of them and actually hunt with them...imagine that. Some of you folks should be deeply ashamed of your ignorant rudeness, but I am not surprised at some of the crap humans do. Carry on

 

[Tim Sundles]

You know, I’ve actually spoken very favorably of you & your products on these forums for quite a few years now.

Just a word of friendly advice. Next time you post a video like this for the whole international hunting community to see & scrutinize, you might want to consider adding the postmortem in your video. It would prevent a lot of speculation.

And by the way, this isn’t a pissing contest. But I’ve killed 19 myself.

I did not post this video here, somebody I do not even know posted it. At 19 you are almost one half where I am and no, that is not a pissing contest, just a fact. I'm into African animals, at least 700-800 head and am headed to Bots soon to ele hunt, but will be using a 577 NE. People need to learn to be respectful and kind. What a bunch of bogus, jealous wannabees. Sad. I posted this video on my site, not here.

 

[TOBY458]

Folks, the ignorant (flat out wrong misread of the camera angle) and rude comments on this forum, mostly by folks that cannot tell what happened, will keep me from ever posting anything here ever again. I did not post this video here to start with, someone else, that I do not know, did that. If you feel good by inaccurately blasting another human, you should reconsider. That buff was fatally hit 5 times out of six shots, but the shooters angle was not the camera angle. I hunt these buffalo alone with no PH and have killed about 40 of them, with numerous rifles. This buff did not want to die, which is why I posted the video on my site, not this site. I found him to be anomalous and that is interesting to me. I've killed others with the 600 Nitro and they died easily. I've also killed a pot full of plains game with the 600 Nitro. They are easy for me to hit with, off hand. I own three of them and actually hunt with them...imagine that. Some of you folks should be deeply ashamed of your ignorant rudeness, but I am not surprised at some of the crap humans do. Carry on

Tim I wouldn’t let these comments run you off. There are many other members here who would be glad to have you post. I am one of those members. I have thoroughly enjoyed watching your new YT channel. Very informative and gives a lot of insight into big bore rifles and handguns. Again, there are MANY members here that would be glad to have you !

 

[Flbt]

Don’t pay these people any attention Tim. I thoroughly enjoy your videos and find them very informative. Keep posting!

Glad to see you here.

 

[Tim Sundles]

It’s crazy how some buffalo seem to just take shot after shot with hardly any effect. I’ve taken 8 buffalo and a couple of elephants, and other than brain shots, I’ve never had a buffalo or elephant simply topple over, no matter how well the shot was placed. They seem to take a lot of killing at times!
Ever since I watched Mark Sullivan using the 600 in his old videos, I’ve always wanted to shoot one. In fact watching those old videos was the catalyst for me wanting to hunt DG in Africa. I’ve been hooked on DG hunting ever since!

I've hunted with Mark in TZ, but I took a 577, since he had extra 577 ammo in camp. I had one buff charge with Mark and Mark simply stepped out of the line of fire, did not shoulder his rifle and said "Stop her Tim", which I did with one barrel. Mark is likely the best PH Ive hunted with. I learned more from him than any other PH. We took leopard, many buff and countless head of plains game and a couple other predators together. I wanted a dry ground hippo, but the only hippo bull we located was in the water and would not come out. Like you, I cannot get enough of Africa.

 

[Flbt]

Folks, the ignorant (flat out wrong misread of the camera angle) and rude comments on this forum, mostly by folks that cannot tell what happened, will keep me from ever posting anything here ever again. I did not post this video here to start with, someone else, that I do not know, did that. If you feel good by inaccurately blasting another human, you should reconsider. That buff was fatally hit 5 times out of six shots, but the shooters angle was not the camera angle. I hunt these buffalo alone with no PH and have killed about 40 of them, with numerous rifles. This buff did not want to die, which is why I posted the video on my site, not this site. I found him to be anomalous and that is interesting to me. I've killed others with the 600 Nitro and they died easily. I've also killed a pot full of plains game with the 600 Nitro. They are easy for me to hit with, off hand. I own three of them and actually hunt with them...imagine that. Some of you folks should be deeply ashamed of your ignorant rudeness, but I am not surprised at some of the crap humans do. Carry on

I for one hope you stay around when time permits.
I am new to the forum. And have never hunted Africa.
But there are some good people here.
And I also like your yt Chanel when yt is not taking you down.