SOUTH AFRICA: Jannie Otto Safaris - Cannot Recommend

Sorry to read about your bad experience, but these things happen, wether in an auction hunt or a regular one.

In my 8 safaris, 2 were not satisfactory, to put it mildly, none were auction or "package hunts"

And thank you for writing about it.
 
The longer story:


I was looking for a good trip to take my wife and son with me to hunt. They had been to South Africa with me before but not for hunting. I wanted them to get a true experience of wild animals and to see more of Africa. I had seen an auction from Jannie Otto for 3 days hunting and 3 days at Victoria Falls. I bid on that and won. In my first message to Jannie after winning, I stated that I wanted to add on both days and more animals to the auction, as I knew that was part of the expectation for auctions. I also stated I wanted to bring my son and was prepared to pay the additional costs there. Even so, his first response to me was high pressure to add on more. He wanted me to book 12 days with them and include other activities that he would book at his inflated rates. This was my 3rd auction hunt, as I found them useful for trying out new outfitters, and this was by far the highest pressure one with also the highest trophy fees and most marked up activity costs.

Jannie had told me to just arrange my flights to get to Johannesburg and they’d organize everything else. I massively regret having trusted his suggestion. Every single activity or lodging that he booked outside of my time at Sandy Mount had an issue with it.

The hotel to stay at upon arrival in JNB for recovery and adjusting to time change before heading to Sandy Mount – it was not a confirmed booking. Though Jannie sent me confirmation that hotel was booked, when I contacted the hotel they informed me the hotel was full. Not only did it already have a long waitlist, I was not on that list and there was no request in my name. Jannie confirmed this when I asked directly. He apparently had no plans to have shared that with me without me having asked. I booked my own hotel, a better quality one at a lower cost than Jannie’s offering, as there was no way I could risk not having a hotel upon arrival with my family.

In JNB, I also realized that the hotel that Jannie had booked for us in Victoria Falls was not the promised Zambezi river front hotel category that was listed in the auction. He booked us in a hotel in town with no view and nothing nearby it. All the itineraries that Jannie had sent me noted A’Zambezi River Lodge, a river front hotel, but he changed it at the last minute without telling me it was changed. When I raised this to Jannie, he claimed that the booked hotel was the only one with connecting rooms. A quick email to the A’Zambezi proved this to be a lie, as they did have connecting rooms. Jannie never truly explained the downgrade here and never apologized for it. When I pointed out that the auction itself “accommodations at a Zambezi River lodge for 3 nights”, he just tried to convince me the in city hotel was a good one.

After those two days, we took our flight to Bloemfontein and met our PH for the drive to Sandy Mount. I will say that the time at Sandy Mount was enjoyable and there was no pressure at all from people there. We enjoyed our time at Sandy Mount and the people we interacted with were very welcoming for my wife & son. We did see a lot of animals, and a lot of variety, though I can't say we saw any great trophies. But I did get a good Gemsbuck and a Black Wildebeest. The lodge staff, the trackers, and other PHs there were all very cheery and engaging. If it weren’t for the poor interactions with Jannie both before & after our time there, I would have considered going back. Maybe I’d do a trip there with JKO Safaris, as I met some of their PHs and had met Jaques before at a show, but absolutely not with Jannie.

Sadly, once we left Sandy Mount, things were downhill again. Jannie had booked only a single room for the 3 of us at JNB City Lodge hotel for our overnight stay before we flew to Vic Falls the next day. I happened to have messaged Jannie that morning to confirm we had two connecting rooms as I needed to do a conference call late that night. His reply was that they had only booked a single room. This was a big surprise since (1) the hotel had a limit of 2 people per room and (a) the price Jannie charged me for the one room was twice the price I had seen online for a single room. Apparently, Jannie just massively overcharged us on the one room and ignored the hotel policies for max people in a room. I asked Jannie to compensate us for the additional cost due to their overcharging and the last-minute rate we had to pay upon arrival for a 2nd room, but he never addressed that.

Our flights to Vic falls went ok. The hotel was disappointing not to be near anything or have any sort of view. We tried to be out of it as much as possible and make the best of things. Jannie had advised us to make plans for activities and meal reservations once we arrived at the hotel. Thankfully, I didn’t listen to that advice. A friend advised me to book key things in advance, as when they had visited they found the best activities were booked out even 3 weeks in advance.

Once back from Vic Falls, we were thankfully done with Jannie’s arrangement and had no more stress about possible issues from Jannie's mistakes. I booked us at Africa Sky, and boy it was great to be back there to wrap up the trip. In my previous trips I had come to know & talk with everyone there. They had all heard about my family and it was cool to have them meet my family for the first time. My wife & son liked getting to meet everyone they had heard about and to see the place that Gilbert jokes is my second home. It really felt like that and was great to wrap up our trip with an awesome experience. At least we ended it all on a good high note. My son is already asking when we will go back and see everyone at Africa Sky again. He was thrilled to hear we’re headed back next year, even happier to hear that we will not be hunting with Jannie or have all the problems we had there. Next time we’re headed to an outfitter I’ve hunted with before and know will take good care of us without pressure but with awesome experiences, great integrity, and a welcoming family environment where they really make you feel appreciated, valued, and taken care of.
I'm sorry things went badly for you and your family, but thank you for this valuable information.
 
Actually, a smart outfitter should be inclined to provide best service to a NEW to Africa auction hunter. Give up a little so a new guy will come back. I gotta say though, if I was an outfitter encountering a client who I knew was a habitual auction bargain hunter, I would not be particularly encouraged to go the extra mile. No reason to purposely shortchange that adveturer/cheap client but an operator often has a lot going on running the place. Other things could easily take precedence over a proven switch-hitting bargain hunter client.
Wow. All I can say is I am glad you are not an outfitter then. This remark is a slap in the face to all decent outfitters. I suppose this does happen but any reputable outfitter would do their best to provide the hunter with the best experience regardless if this is the first time the hunter bought an auction hunt or the 50th. The hunter bought the hunt fair and square. He should expect equal treatment regardless. And by the way, I will never bid on an auction hunt but have no problem with someone who does.
 
Well, that’s a shame. Outfitters should treat all of their clients the same, and luckily most do. I won a raffle trip way back when and my last trip was an auction hunt. I added animals to both and had a great time. Good luck on your next trips!
 
Thx for sharing your experience.

But somehow i dont seem to underamdtand.

You bid on an auction for a 3day hunt but are not ecpetected to go 3 days hunting?
No, I planned from the start to extend it and add animals, knowing 3 is short. We went for 5 hunting days and also added on animals beyond those included in the auction.
 
Auction or not, the mistakes made with the bookings, the poor communication, the changes made without telling me, and the repeated refusal to accept responsibility for those mistakes or make any attempt to make up for them is the reason I would avoid Jannie Otto. I had not found reviews around the operation on here so I wanted to be sure others on site had full view of what to expect.
 
Have you ever had that experience where you feel that the actual people taking care of the clients day to day are the reason it keeps going even despite the management or leader of a company? That is how I'd sum up my experience with Jannie Otto Safaris. The times interacting with anyone other than Jannie were good to very good, but anything with Jannie himself was just dealing with his poor communication, refusal to acknowledge problems or his mistakes, and frequently him attempting to blame me for things he did wrong with bookings or arrangements.

Short Summary:

  • Jannie was very high pressure to add on days/animals/activities. I’ve done two auction hunts before and fully expected to add on to it, but Jannie started off high pressure from the start and kept it up.
  • All of Jannie’s offered side trips, not just trophy fees, were way over priced. Some were double cost of direct booking.
  • Jannie’s communication was very poor. I had to be very crisp in detailing what was wrong with the itinerary (“your itinerary notes the 18th for arrival but we actually arrive on the 21st”) and even with that it took multiple repeated communications to get resolved.
  • Jannie made several mistakes in booking lodging for us, though he had promised it would all be smoother and easier than doing ourselves. Everything he booked cost more than direct booking and was not at the quality/amenity level promised. In one case, the hotel wasn’t even confirmed even though he stated it was.
  • Once he was paid our last night at Sandy Mount, and before our trip to Victoria Falls, he stopped responding to the issues I encountered with his booked arrangement the rest of the trip.
  • I was forced to file a credit card dispute due to not receiving what was paid for and Jannie not replying to my multiple attempts to reach a resolution.

The makings of a bad experience from the start. Will be following this.
 
I hope you are beginning to see premium prices paid for your auction hunts, increasing the funds generated for conservation.

The current model common with a lot of these leaves dirt cheap hunts with very little money generated for conservation and all too often disenchanted first time clients unlikely to return to Africa.

I may even make it up to San Angelo this time around…
You will be most welcome to come to our chapter banquet March 7th in San Angelo. We are very different in that we run our banquet like a business and have achieved the status of #2 chapter in the world in terms of fundraising to SCI. It's a lot to explain so yall just come join us.
 
I’m going to take a bit more of a controversial side…
1) in any business you have bottom feeder clients… I think Auction Hunts attract bottom feeders. Especially people that perhaps use as a primary method to “get a deal” and frankly (in my view) take advantage. Also, especially people who repeatedly use this as a primary method to book trips.
To be clear, I’ve done two myself…

There are always two sides to every story
Should the outfitter NOT mark up the “extras” and activities etc? Of course they should… they have to make some money

All I hear when I see something like this is a not good client….wants to take advantage of deals and also have high expectations….l
The “treat them well and they will be a good return client”… BS…total BS actually
That’s not human nature and especially not bottom feeder nature

Someone who comes onto a forum with an anonymous handle (literally like a bot) just to bash a dude? Seriously guys ? Then a bunch of sheep jump to his defense and the worst offense we can see is he didn’t like the free hotel he got!!???
Are you guys serious? And BTW… in Zim…tell me what hotels have a river view guys?? There a bunch of em I don’t know about?

So… dude comes on who has done 5 trips…3 of which are auction trips
The complaint is primarily
1) he “felt” pressured me to maybe spend some money so he didn’t lose a bunch of money (generally understood to be part of the deal)
2) I didn’t think my free hotel he paid for was as nice as I expected for free with a potentially non existent river front luxury lodge
3) I didn’t like that they arranged activities on my behalf and expected to make a couple hundred bucks perhaps for all their efforts
4) I ended up booking my own activities in Vic Falls like an adult because they are readily available online and discovered to my horror I found a River a cruise or Boma Dinner cheaper

Should outfitters live up to their end? Of course…
Should clients be treated well…sure
But don’t magically think there is no such thing as a “bad client” and that maybe…just maybe
Certain types who use auctions as a method aren’t maybe quintessential bad clients who look to leverage and take advantage
 
I’m going to take a bit more of a controversial side…
1) in any business you have bottom feeder clients… I think Auction Hunts attract bottom feeders. Especially people that perhaps use as a primary method to “get a deal” and frankly (in my view) take advantage. Also, especially people who repeatedly use this as a primary method to book trips.
To be clear, I’ve done two myself…

There are always two sides to every story
Should the outfitter NOT mark up the “extras” and activities etc? Of course they should… they have to make some money

All I hear when I see something like this is a not good client….wants to take advantage of deals and also have high expectations….l
The “treat them well and they will be a good return client”… BS…total BS actually
That’s not human nature and especially not bottom feeder nature

Someone who comes onto a forum with an anonymous handle (literally like a bot) just to bash a dude? Seriously guys ? Then a bunch of sheep jump to his defense and the worst offense we can see is he didn’t like the free hotel he got!!???
Are you guys serious? And BTW… in Zim…tell me what hotels have a river view guys?? There a bunch of em I don’t know about?

So… dude comes on who has done 5 trips…3 of which are auction trips
The complaint is primarily
1) he “felt” pressured me to maybe spend some money so he didn’t lose a bunch of money (generally understood to be part of the deal)
2) I didn’t think my free hotel he paid for was as nice as I expected for free with a potentially non existent river front luxury lodge
3) I didn’t like that they arranged activities on my behalf and expected to make a couple hundred bucks perhaps for all their efforts
4) I ended up booking my own activities in Vic Falls like an adult because they are readily available online and discovered to my horror I found a River a cruise or Boma Dinner cheaper

Should outfitters live up to their end? Of course…
Should clients be treated well…sure
But don’t magically think there is no such thing as a “bad client” and that maybe…just maybe
Certain types who use auctions as a method aren’t maybe quintessential bad clients who look to leverage and take advantage
I can agree with you on some things, but the way an outfitter treats his lowest client brought in through a donation hunt is a representation of how they are willing to treat all clients to me. I listened to an interesting podcast a while ago with John X safaris. I can’t recall his exact reasons to quote them but he said he doesn’t donate hunts. He will write the check for what that organization is looking for. It seems like the auction model often frequently makes an unhappy situation for both clients and outfitters.
 
We did an auction hunt for birds in Argentina. I had about 20 guys, and we had a great time. Our trip went off without any issues. We had fun buying the trip at auction, and initially we felt like we had saved some money. We did a little review after the hunt, and I’m fairly sure that we would have spent the same amount had I booked this trip through an outfitter. All of that said, I would be on the warpath had I brought my wife and son on a trip that went sideways because of the outfitter. Hate to read such posts here, but also grateful insofar as it helps the community.
 
I can agree with you on some things, but the way an outfitter treats his lowest client brought in through a donation hunt is a representation of how they are willing to treat all clients to me. I listened to an interesting podcast a while ago with John X safaris. I can’t recall his exact reasons to quote them but he said he doesn’t donate hunts. He will write the check for what that organization is looking for. It seems like the auction model often frequently makes an unhappy situation for both clients and outfitters.
I agree totally in general… and that may well be the case here where the outfitter maybe could have handled better
BUT… I’m skeptical by nature and I’ve dealt with thousands and thousands of people over decades… so my radar goes up and there seem to be several warning signs here to me (damn sure as to not simply pass judgement and blindly jump on the side of an anonymous bot post)
This outfitter has, of course, been around a long time with (as far as I know) a pretty solid long term reputation.
My worst case judgement here is he could have handled some logistics much better even if he had warning signs on his side that this auction client may not be the best client and he likely has a distaste that has grown on these auction deals they are forced (or compelled) to donate
 
The OP has clearly outlined what he feels went wrong, and I think he’s done so in a polite and precise way, pointing out both what went right and what didn’t. There are always two sides to a dispute. But with written emails I’m sure this will be clear if going to arbitration.
Apart from one, most of the replies to this thread have been quite informative, explaining why these auctions are held, what the funds are used for, and what the expectations are to be expected from both sides.
 
I’m going to take a bit more of a controversial side…
1) in any business you have bottom feeder clients… I think Auction Hunts attract bottom feeders. Especially people that perhaps use as a primary method to “get a deal” and frankly (in my view) take advantage. Also, especially people who repeatedly use this as a primary method to book trips.
To be clear, I’ve done two myself…

There are always two sides to every story
Should the outfitter NOT mark up the “extras” and activities etc? Of course they should… they have to make some money

All I hear when I see something like this is a not good client….wants to take advantage of deals and also have high expectations….l
The “treat them well and they will be a good return client”… BS…total BS actually
That’s not human nature and especially not bottom feeder nature

Someone who comes onto a forum with an anonymous handle (literally like a bot) just to bash a dude? Seriously guys ? Then a bunch of sheep jump to his defense and the worst offense we can see is he didn’t like the free hotel he got!!???
Are you guys serious? And BTW… in Zim…tell me what hotels have a river view guys?? There a bunch of em I don’t know about?

So… dude comes on who has done 5 trips…3 of which are auction trips
The complaint is primarily
1) he “felt” pressured me to maybe spend some money so he didn’t lose a bunch of money (generally understood to be part of the deal)
2) I didn’t think my free hotel he paid for was as nice as I expected for free with a potentially non existent river front luxury lodge
3) I didn’t like that they arranged activities on my behalf and expected to make a couple hundred bucks perhaps for all their efforts
4) I ended up booking my own activities in Vic Falls like an adult because they are readily available online and discovered to my horror I found a River a cruise or Boma Dinner cheaper

Should outfitters live up to their end? Of course…
Should clients be treated well…sure
But don’t magically think there is no such thing as a “bad client” and that maybe…just maybe
Certain types who use auctions as a method aren’t maybe quintessential bad clients who look to leverage and take advantage
I can agree with most points, I have done a couple of auction hunts and more that we’re not. Have been treated well on all of them. I have done them mostly for conservations sake. It’s just me but other than the church I want a tangible return on the check I write. As said before I will spend anywhere from 5K to 10K on extra animals and if I was retired I would most likely add days.
I do look at all of the auction catalogs to see if a type of hunt interest me for future bookings and just about all of the thumbnails of the auction say “extra animals from current years price list on the website” or something similar. It’s probably out there but I have never seen a list with increased prices for auction hunts. Actually in my case out of the blue at dinner the outfitter offered lower prices for a couple of animals.
I will most likely never do another auction hunt do to my future hunting goals but I’m certainly glad I did the 2 I did.
 

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