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My mate seems to reckon that this is the load for me. However I am not a fan of the words "near maximum"

Anyone care to opine?

Although the rifle is still being assembled I believe the actual barrel length may be closer to 26" than the 24" as above.


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That might be the load. I was using about 73 grains of H4350 with a 286 gr Nosler for about 2560 fps out of a 24" barrel. That was about as much powder as I could get in the case, so the same charge of Rx17 should give you a good 100 fps over that.
 
I am certainly not a fan of starting any reloading "near max".
Start lower and move slowly up to the load that works in your rifle.
 
I agree with Brickburn. Never start at near maximum loads. When you change powder lots start lower and work back up. Different lots can have different burn rates. One other note of caution. RL17 is known to be temp sensitive. Usually not much bother in mid temp ranges, but can be a problem in 90 degree plus heat. If you work up a load near or at maximum in your rifle at 50-60 degrees and then hunt with it in 90 degree plus temp then you may have a problem. As in blown primers and maybe a bolt that doesn't want to open. Better to work up your load for that powder at the maximum temp that you could be hunting.
Bruce
 
Sage words from you members that I am grateful for.
The temp factor is one that wasn't in the equation until now.
I am certainly NOT a fan of Near Max loads and my mate that reloads for me will be advised once again.
A knowledgeable Aussie has set me on his track with loads he uses,he has used the `64 for 30 years.
He did advise not to use magnum primers..I forget why lol.
His words below.


I used Federal 210 standard primers for ALL loads.

Start around 70gn AR2209.

71gn gave 2460fps

72gn gave 2470fps,

73gn gave 2510fps

74gn gave 2630fps & compressed – 10fps deviation & accurate in my rifle.

You could lengthen the cartridge OAL about another 1mm to squeeze more powder if you so choose, I got to 75gn without pressure signs but was more than accurate for me!

Looks for normal pressure signs & best to go in 1/2gn increments.
 
sambarhunter,
like the others said, start low and work up, preferably including a chronograph in the process.
I have used a fair bit of re17, but only in284 win.
it seems to me to burn a little faster than 2209/h4350.
it is more temp sensitive, so a load worked up in the cold might get your attention in the heat.
I was using it in an fclass rifle, so loaded purely for accuracy.
it was frustrating, because temp changes could make a load go off the boil from morning to afternoon.
this would probably not be an issue in a hunting rifle, as all accuracy was good enough for hunting.
however, 2209 and 2213sc/h4831 are more available and cheaper, as well as more temp sensitive.
with regards the 9.3x64, 2209 is as slow as you can go and get enough in.
re 17 might require about 2 gns less powder for similar pressure and depending on density might require less compression, but you would have to try it.
my mag is 3.400 long, and I load to 3.370.
it sounds like you have a Lothar walther barrel as do i.
length between 25 and 26 inches.

a note says that in my fls cases, 72 gns 2209 comes to base of neck.
latest testing with 286 gn swift and fed 215 primers in rws brass using 2209.
72 gn 2508
73 gn 2548
74 gn 2575
75 gn 2614
I have loaded 76 and 77 gns safely, but did not want more speed than the 75 gn load so stopped there.
these velocities from a labradar.
compressing 2209 is necessary with these loads, but not an issue.
there are all sorts of theories re obtaining accuracy by adjusting barrel time, and many other methods, but I found all the above loads grouped more than well enough for hunting.
in my case the weak link there is what kind of rest I can get (if any), how fast I have to shoot, am I puffing, other, related to shooter.
I note you seem to be using the x64 a bit.
what are your impressions so far?
bruce.
 
when "poor accuracy" is 1 1/4 moa and best you can get is 3/4 moa, shot off rests under controlled conditions with a high recoiling rifle, going for accuracy becomes a moot point.
with those differences, and the scope powers used on these rifles, your best load might be the other way round when you repeat the test which you need to to get meaningful data.
this is not a varmint or target setup.
how much does it matter if you burn all the powder or not?
in my experience not at all.
generally speaking, higher safe pressures tent to give best burn anyway.
it is easy to get your rocks off over all this stuff, but how you shoot in the field is what does the job, and you will never get full potential accuracy there, because the real world is the deciding factor there.
incidentally, Lothar walther barrels are surprisingly accurate, even the pre chambered ones.
I would bet they are just chambered in a 3 jaw chuck.
bruce.
 
what are your impressions so far?
bruce.

It has only had six shots,one cat,one fox and four sambar deer,all one shot kills unsurprisingly.
It has looked over a lot of deer but its owner hasn't given the go ahead!
 
I'd start at 68 grains and work up. It's the base of the 100% propellant burned. Chase accuracy and then energy.
I was going to ask Sambar Hunter what the game was wondering if he needs max loads.
I reload plenty but I don’t have a chronograph I just chase decent accuracy and select projectiles then consider book loads. Projectile matched to intended purpose , research load data, test accuracy in that order sounds better
So you are not targeting Elephant so why is your mate suggesting near max?
If it was a long range round of any sort speed may be required but i reckon its enough gun for Sambar and you have proven that.
Cat medicine, seems like you may even have an accurate load and no feral cat is gonna carry a hit from that.
 
I reload plenty but I don’t have a chronograph I just chase decent accuracy and select projectiles then consider book loads. Projectile matched to intended purpose , research load data, test accuracy in that order sounds better.
I refer to the Nosler load data and pick one of those powders. They seem to love extrudeds though. If you're a ball powder fan, that could be an issue.
 
I refer to the Nosler load data and pick one of those powders. They seem to love extrudeds though. If you're a ball powder fan, that could be an issue.
You don't have to worry about ball powders now we haven't got any since Winchester pulled out of Australia.
Nosler is a good site mate.
 
Im with @BRICKBURN he is both tall and wise. Ok maybe not wise but he has a good point. I generally find a lower load will group better. At least it does in the 7x64 and that thing is a hole in hole rifle as long as I do my thing
 
not necessarily Norfolk shooter.
sometimes higher pressure loads shoot better.
br shooters often run pressures that will ruin cases much quicker than we hunters would accept.
you just have to find what works best.
with regards the 9.3x64, I would use the x62 if I did not need the better trajectory of the x64 in mountains and desert sandhills where I use it.
so I look for the speed potential the x64 has to offer.
but not at the risk of being dangerous or wasting cases.
this also has a noticeable increase in the suddenness of killing at closer ranges.
it does however require bullets that can take it on bigger game.
it also pulls the x64 up closer to the 375.
the downside is added recoil, but that is the price you pay.
bruce.
 
one good thing about win ball powders is the accuracy with which you can throw charges.
once the thrower is set, there is no need to weigh them.
bruce.
Some of the ADI powder is like that too. BM1&2, 2205, 2207, 2213SC pretty goog to out of my Lee thrower only weight every 10th throw and usually within 0.3 of a grain. Not enough to worry about at 60 grains. 0.3 is neither here or there unless your anal about spot on weights.
Bob
 
I'm loading .243 with scoops. I can see how it might not matter to you. I just really hate the crunching when I cut the grains. So I favor ball powders for large volume use and the extruded for precise small batches.
 

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