Poorly bullet performance i 450/400 31/4

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Saw a buff shot with 450/400 31/4 Kynoch ammo softnose.
The ammo wasn't new.How old I don't know.
The bullets had just penetrated the skin and was very expanded.
The shots was at about 30m.
Why?
Someone who knows?
 
Saw a buff shot with 450/400 31/4 Kynoch ammo softnose.
The ammo wasn't new.How old I don't know.
The bullets had just penetrated the skin and was very expanded.
The shots was at about 30m.
Why?
Someone who knows?

I doubt whether the age would adversely affect the penetration. I suggest it is that the bullet was too soft and/or too fast to penetrate the buff.
 
Pretty scary stuff!

If the bullet didn't fragment then my thought is the charge was to blame. If the bullet had the mass to penetrate then the velocity would seem to be in issue.
 
The bullets seemed very soft.They were about 3 cm in diameter,but hadn't fragmented.
It was Kynoch factory loads. Thought all their bullets for big game cartridges should be enough for buff
but not these ones.
 
Hello Peter Larson,

Dr. Kevin Robertson wrote of similar problems when he used older Kynoch ammunition, particularly with their full metal jacket or "solid" bullets, in his excellent book; "Africa's Most Dangerous".
This was in regards to his personal experiences with it in his .505 Gibbs, when shooting animals in situations that definitely called for full metal jacket bullet penetration.
He was disappointed.
From reading his observations on this old ammunition, the evidence strongly points to the jacket material as being too thin in their vintage loadings.

Robertson wrote of also experiencing more than one or two failures to fire, with the old Kynoch ammunition that came with his Dumoulin Magnum Mauser, when he bought it 2nd hand.
So, he pulled all projectiles from his ammunition, dumped the powder and removed the primers.
Then, reloaded the brass with new primers and new powder.
He crimped the "solids" back into the cartridges but only used them as though they were softs.
He indicated the jackets were so thin that they tended to deform on buffalo about, like a premium, tough soft nosed bullet should do.

I believe now that Kynoch may be using Woodleigh projectiles in their ammunition these days.
If so, then the problem is likely solved.
Woodleigh bullets designed for velocities around 2,000 to 2,400 feet per second, by reputation are quite good.
They also make bullets for black powder velocities that, if by mistake any hand-loader tried to use them at more than I would guess about 1,500 to 1,700 feet per second maximum, they can expect over-expansion on large, tough animals.

In conclusion, I believe the over-expanded bullets you witnessed in buffalo, were due to much too thin of jacket metal.

Cheers,
Velo Dog.
 
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Yes,probable wrong bullets. Too soft.
My self used 270gr TSX out of a 375HH.
Buff died in about a second or two.
 
New Kynoch (Kynamco) ammo use Woodleigh soft and solids exclusively...

The old Kynoch (made up to about 1968 by I.C.I) was so-so on bullet performance...they used steel jackets on most of their big bore cartridges up to and including .577 NE, but not on the .600 NE..oddly enough..

I suspect this has caused the bad rumour regarding inadequate penetration of the .600..

Old Kynoch softs was also rather infamous for disintegrating on impact..
 
As noted above, if the bullet expanded fully and didn't penetrate because of the resistance, the problem would be that the energy of the bullet was spent on tissue that would have been better to have passed by, by a bullet of stiffer construction. The age of the powder does not appear to have been a problem.
 
Hunting with old ammunition, because to save some $, does not make sense....

At long last, you will not know the reasons for a failure, but rather you will not have it happend.

So, burn them all at a training session and hunt with fresh ammunition, fresh cases, powder, primer & state of the art bullet....


HWL
 
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The problem was to find ammo in that caliber here.
He thought it was ok when he bought it and didn't know how old they were.
 
WOW that's scary stuff.
 
Good luck that i wasn't my gun!
I shot my buff at 6m,quartering frontal shot.
A bullet failure there would not have been nice!
 

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