Form 4457 no longer sufficent to export firemarms

[davetexas]

Hi all,

I'm a brand new memember preparing for my safari in Zim in two months!

I got an e-mail from SCI where they say the form 4457 is no longer sufficent and there is a new process just now being enforced even though it went into effect in 2012. New process is below.

Should I still do the 4457?
Anyone have more info on this? I'm in Texas but leaving through Atlanta. The "time of his/her departure" is confusing does this mean the day you leave?

Thanks! Dave

If a hunter wishes to temporarily export three or fewer non-automatic firearms from the United States and 1000 or fewer cartridges -- at the time of his/her departure from the U.S., he or she must declare the articles to a U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officer, present the Internal Transaction Number (ITN) obtained from the submission of the Electronic Export Information in the Automated Export System (AES) and present the firearms and/or cartridges for a visual inspection to the CBP officer at the port of departure from the United States.


Sorry all, I just found a 13 page thread in another section. Please delete the post

 

[spike.t]

hi welcome to AH. not sure how you missed this thread http://www.africahunting.com/threads/new-usa-requirements-in-addition-to-the-form-4457.21576/

 

[Mr. 16 gauge]

Welcome!

 

[LostTarget]

BULLET POINTS

Import/Export

• ICE UNFREEZES RULE THAT AFFECTS HUNTERS GOING ABROAD . . . U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) appears to have started enforcing a three-year old regulation that could have a serious impact on the hunting community. Under a requirement that has not been enforced since it was imposed in 2012, Americans travelling overseas with a firearm must file paperwork using the government's Automated Export System (AES) to register the "temporary export" of any firearm. The problem, which NSSF was the first to flag back in 2012, is that individual hunters cannot become certified by AES in order to file the necessary paperwork and obtain the required documentation that Customs is now requiring at the port of departure. With no national security purpose underlying this long-dormant requirement, NSSF is working toward a repeal of the regulation and will discuss the major concerns with State Department officials during a meeting this week.

 

[Mr. 16 gauge]

BULLET POINTS

Import/Export

• ICE UNFREEZES RULE THAT AFFECTS HUNTERS GOING ABROAD . . . U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) appears to have started enforcing a three-year old regulation that could have a serious impact on the hunting community. Under a requirement that has not been enforced since it was imposed in 2012, Americans travelling overseas with a firearm must file paperwork using the government's Automated Export System (AES) to register the "temporary export" of any firearm. The problem, which NSSF was the first to flag back in 2012, is that individual hunters cannot become certified by AES in order to file the necessary paperwork and obtain the required documentation that Customs is now requiring at the port of departure. With no national security purpose underlying this long-dormant requirement, NSSF is working toward a repeal of the regulation and will discuss the major concerns with State Department officials during a meeting this week.

Hopefully this is the light at the end of the tunnel..........and it's not the headlight on the locomotive!

 

[LivingTheDream]

I just saw this on the hunting report. Has anyone actually done this yet? I got my 4457 filled out and nothing was even mentioned to me.

 

[BRICKBURN]

Apr 23 2015
Hoeven: U.S. Hunters No Longer Required to Register With IRS to Take Personal Firearms on International Hunts
Senator Secures CBP's Commitment to Return to Previous Travel Forms
WASHINGTON – U.S. Senator John Hoeven, chairman of the Department of Homeland Security Appropriations Committee, today announced that the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) will no longer require U.S hunters traveling internationally to obtain an IRS identification number in order to bring personal weapons on hunting trips outside the U.S. At a meeting early Wednesday with U.S. CBP Commissioner R. Gil Kerlikowske, Hoeven secured a commitment from the agency to return to the paper process used by international hunters for years, while updates are made to the automated reporting system for exporting weapons. Kurlekowske said the agency’s web site would be updated later today.

“Hunters should not have to register as a business with the IRS in order to bring their weapons and ammunition on international hunting trips,” said Hoeven. “This is an unnecessary and burdensome requirement on law-abiding citizens. We appreciate that CBP has recognized this and will return to their original forms for international hunters, while they update their automated system to recognize the difference between a commercial exporter and a sportsman traveling on a hunting trip to Canada or another country.”

CBP recently began enforcing regulatory changes from 2012 requiring U.S. hunters to comply with commercial export requirements when transporting firearms outside the U.S. for personal use. Under these requirements, in order for a U.S. hunter to take personal weapons to another country temporarily, the individual would have to register the weapon in the Automated Export System (AES) and provide a transaction number to CBP.

The AES is designed for commercial exporters and requires all users to obtain an Employer Identification Number (EIN) from the IRS in order to access the system. CBP has acknowledged that forcing hunters to obtain an EIN is not appropriate. Under the agreement reached this week, the agency will allow international hunters to use the original paper process while CBP works with the Department of State on an appropriate long-term solution.

http://www.hoeven.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/news-releases?ID=274eb6ef-cf8f-4ebe-9c15-b5fb71a76999

 

[spike.t]

so does that mean that its sorted????......

 

[BRICKBURN]

so does that mean that its sorted????......

Not yet. Momentarily, by what I am reading.

 

[spike.t]

hopefully actual sense being displayed by govnt officials.....

 

[Mr. 16 gauge]

hopefully actual sense being displayed by govnt officials.....

Yeah...and monkeys might fly outa my butt!

 

[johnnyblues]

Feel sorry for everyone that went thru the process on their own to get the number. I also feel sorry for people like SSI that raced to help all there clients like myself , specially the ones who were leaving last month. That's customer service folks, they didn't have to do that at no charge for clients.

 

[BRICKBURN]

Temporary Exportation of Firearms

Release Date:
April 23, 2015

WASHINGTON— U.S. Customs and Border Protection will continue to follow the long standing practice of issuing and certifying a Certificate of Registration (CBP Form 4457) to ensure that no traveler attempting to legally take their firearm out of the country experiences significant delays or incurs additional cost due to the implementation of a new regulation requiring an electronic filing. CBP's enforcement focus is on those engaged in illegal exportation of firearms for use by overseas organizations and individuals wishing to cause harm.

During this time, when a traveler contacts CBP to report export of a firearm, CBP will:

• Assist the traveler to complete a CBP Form 4457 to assist in an issue free return to the U.S.
• Provide a fact sheet about the regulation and how to comply.

Additionally, CBP is working with our other government partners to modify the AES system and the reporting process to make a more user-friendly experience for individual travelers.

CBP recommends that travelers allow a few hours for the declaration of the firearms to CBP and advises travelers to become familiar with the import requirements of the foreign country(s) that they may be traveling through or visiting. The countries may have more restrictive laws and regulations regarding the use of firearms.

Current export regulations issued by the Department of State require the traveler to file electronic export information (EEI) for temporary export of personally owned firearms via the Automated Export System (AES) prior to departure from the United States. AES has a free web-based internet application known as AESDirect that permits the traveling public to electronically report the Electronic Export Information (EEI) for temporary export of their firearm(s).


http://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/2015-04-23-000000/temporary-exportation-firearms

 

[LivingTheDream]

So basically we aren't completely free yet. I got my EIN and my passed my AES test so I will stand by until they completely change the process.

 

[Philip Glass]

hopefully actual sense being displayed by govnt officials.....

No a Senator on Appropriations committee ie where the money comes from called BS! Then CBP had to back off or else! We will see where it goes.

 

[CAustin]

Interesting news

 

[CAustin]

Brickburn from what US Government site did you cut and paste the Realestate from?

 

[CAustin]

Never mind I see it at the bottom of the post.

 

[flatwater bill]

Brickburn..........thnx for the post. I also sent a thank you to the good Senator Hoeven today............................FW Bill

 

[Mr. 16 gauge]

No a Senator on Appropriations committee ie where the money comes from called BS! Then CBP had to back off or else! We will see where it goes.

I don't think that the CBP is the culprit here........I think it's the Obama administration and it's typical "pass a bunch of 'executive actions' so the President can have things his way, and we'll see what happens" mentality.......did it with the 7 billion dollar spending bill, "cash for clunkers" program, "Obama care", etc. There will almost always be unintended consequences to any legislation; the key to good govt. it to anticipate those negative consequences and have some sort of plan to deal with them in a positive manner............something that the Obama administration doesn't seem to give a damn about!

I intend to email Sen. Hoeven's office today and thank him for his support in this manner; I strongly suggest that every American who visits this site do the same....................