DFFE Minister Announces Trophy Hunting Quotas Of Black Rhino, Leopards And Elephants For 2022

[Hoas]

https://www.iol.co.za/news/environment/dffe-minister-announces-trophy-hunting-quotas-of-black-rhino-leopards-and-elephants-for-2022-8115df2b-cb8a-42b6-b0b6-211eca9f7474

Durban - Minister of Forestry, Fisheries and the Environment, Barbara Creecy, has announced the quotas for the trophy hunting of black rhino, leopard, and elephant in South Africa for 2022.
In a statement, Creecy said the 2022 quotas for the hunting and export of trophies from these three species is a deferral of the 2021 allocation, which was determined after the end of the hunting season. The deferral grants stakeholders the opportunity to make use of the 2021 quota in 2022. Consultation for the 2023 quota will take place during the course of this year.

"The quota for leopard has been set at 10 animals and is informed by robust data generated through a sophisticated national leopard monitoring program. Leopard hunts will only be allowed in areas where leopard populations are stable or increasing, and only male leopards seven years of age or older may be hunted. Implementing a strict seven-year age minimum for trophy leopards dramatically reduces the risk of overharvesting," Creecy said.

 

[sierraone]

Never would have guessed that South Africa would be allowing a quota of 150 elephants this year. Anyone interested in a elephant hunt needs to read this article in detail.

 

[IvW]

Gonna be some great leopards.....

 

[Aaron N]

Do these quotas apply to privately owned game? I would assume that no “wild” black rhinos would ever be hunted in RSA, let alone anywhere, so can they impose limits on what are essentially private livestock no different than cattle?

How would the fees be distributed in a leopard hunt? I would think that due to a leopards range, it would be hard for one property owner to claim a leopard as their property, so in that case would a leopard be considered public property, and the trophy fee going to the govt, while the mark up and day fees go to the PH/land owner? Or would these hunts only happen on public lands?

Just a couple questions from a guy who’s still learning!

 

[IvW]

No private as eell as game reserves

 

[Aaron N]

No private as eell as game reserves

How does a game reserved differ from a NP?

 

[IvW]

Game.reserves are generally very large and privately owned NP are state owned both offer good hunting

 

[ChasingHemingway]

Does anyone know an outfitter who received a permit for leopard?

 

[Aaron N]

Game.reserves are generally very large and privately owned NP are state owned both offer good hunting

That’s what I assumed you meant.

So the animals are still privately owned, which leads back to my point that the animals on them are privately held livestock, endangered yes, but a commodity none the less. And I don’t mean that in a negative context, it just confuses me how an international body can place limits on privately held property. I guess I always assumed these quotas would apply to the public wildlife.

Side note: Are there and rhino in Texas? They have damn near everything else under the sun.

 

[ActionBob]

Do these quotas apply to privately owned game? I would assume that no “wild” black rhinos would ever be hunted in RSA, let alone anywhere, so can they impose limits on what are essentially private livestock no different than cattle?

How would the fees be distributed in a leopard hunt? I would think that due to a leopards range, it would be hard for one property owner to claim a leopard as their property, so in that case would a leopard be considered public property, and the trophy fee going to the govt, while the mark up and day fees go to the PH/land owner? Or would these hunts only happen on public lands?

Just a couple questions from a guy who’s still learning!

Well to start with, you can hunt real wild black rhinos in Namibia. Not sure why you would assume they could not be hunted, ever.

The following rant is not directed at any hunters who know this all... but meant to address the common failed understanding of real life real World conservation.

The cold hard option to falling to a well placed bullet from a hunter is death by some other method, usually not an easy death either. An old bull will typically live much longer than he can effectively be a herd bull, or breeding bull. Same for elephant. They get just too big and heavy to be able to breed without harm to the females. I mean they really only have that one position and the female has to be able to hold the bull... Plus the old bull needs his arthritic joints to get him up there.. And the big cats may not have that issue, but the old males get kicked out by the ones in their prime. This is the way of nature. Simple facts.... oh let's not forget the great "endangered black giraffe".... A black giraffe is a previously yellow bull that got really old and is so overloaded with testosterone that he stinks terribly and has turned black.

So these old rhino bulls contribute negatively to the species. They blindly fight the breeding bulls, often wounding and even killing cows and calves.

The zoos have all the rhinos they want. The only logical thing to do with the old bulls is to sell them to Trophy Hunters. This generates much needed funds to use towards real conservation efforts, whether public or private.

 

[Aaron N]

Well to start with, you can hunt real wild black rhinos in Namibia. Not sure why you would assume they could not be hunted, ever.

The following rant is not directed at any hunters who know this all... but meant to address the common failed understanding of real life real World conservation.

The cold hard option to falling to a well placed bullet from a hunter is death by some other method, usually not an easy death either. An old bull will typically live much longer than he can effectively be a herd bull, or breeding bull. Same for elephant. They get just too big and heavy to be able to breed without harm to the females. I mean they really only have that one position and the female has to be able to hold the bull... Plus the old bull needs his arthritic joints to get him up there.. And the big cats may not have that issue, but the old males get kicked out by the ones in their prime. This is the way of nature. Simple facts.... oh let's not forget the great "endangered black giraffe".... A black giraffe is a previously yellow bull that got really old and is so overloaded with testosterone that he stinks terribly and has turned black.

So these old rhino bulls contribute negatively to the species. They blindly fight the breeding bulls, often wounding and even killing cows and calves.

The zoos have all the rhinos they want. The only logical thing to do with the old bulls is to sell them to Trophy Hunters. This generates much needed funds to use towards real conservation efforts, whether public or private.

You are correct, I missed Namibia. Honest mistake.

Im just more confused if/how privately owned game can have government quotas placed on them. Seems odd that’s all and I don’t ever recall seeing anyone ever mention hunting black rhino in RSA. And I find it more effective to throw a question out on here, than to sift through google. Let’s face it, there is a shit load of knowledge on here on almost any subject you can think of.

 

[BRICKBURN]

10 Leopard beats 0. But, damn.....

 

[TheGrayRider]

Good news. Higher leopard quota than the 7 permits issued a couple of years ago?

 

[CoElkHunter]

Well to start with, you can hunt real wild black rhinos in Namibia. Not sure why you would assume they could not be hunted, ever.

The following rant is not directed at any hunters who know this all... but meant to address the common failed understanding of real life real World conservation.

The cold hard option to falling to a well placed bullet from a hunter is death by some other method, usually not an easy death either. An old bull will typically live much longer than he can effectively be a herd bull, or breeding bull. Same for elephant. They get just too big and heavy to be able to breed without harm to the females. I mean they really only have that one position and the female has to be able to hold the bull... Plus the old bull needs his arthritic joints to get him up there.. And the big cats may not have that issue, but the old males get kicked out by the ones in their prime. This is the way of nature. Simple facts.... oh let's not forget the great "endangered black giraffe".... A black giraffe is a previously yellow bull that got really old and is so overloaded with testosterone that he stinks terribly and has turned black.

So these old rhino bulls contribute negatively to the species. They blindly fight the breeding bulls, often wounding and even killing cows and calves.

The zoos have all the rhinos they want. The only logical thing to do with the old bulls is to sell them to Trophy Hunters. This generates much needed funds to use towards real conservation efforts, whether public or private.

Very interesting! Thanks for sharing this.

 

[ActionBob]

You are correct, I missed Namibia. Honest mistake.

Im just more confused if/how privately owned game can have government quotas placed on them. Seems odd that’s all and I don’t ever recall seeing anyone ever mention hunting black rhino in RSA. And I find it more effective to throw a question out on here, than to sift through google. Let’s face it, there is a shit load of knowledge on here on almost any subject you can think of.

Rhino are the only ones I have personal experience with in RSA. Although I think elephant and leopard are under the same type rules. RSA is, in my opinion, very difficult for the average foreign hunter to figure out. I'm not sure i should get real deep into why I feel that way as it has to do with honesty, trust, legality. As well as various rules in different Provinces and the interpretation gets muddled sometimes. Suffice it to say that some Outfitters tend to get a bit careless with the truth...

However countries such as Tanzania and even Zimbabwe seem to have simple straight forward rules in comparison and the Outfitters seem to be very straightforward with explanations of them. In my experience to date anyway.

There are populations of black rhino in RSA in fact dart hunts for them have been advertised on here. So I suspect under the right circumstances a real hunt could be organized.

When I did my white rhino hunt, I shopped hard for as real a hunt in the biggest area I could find. I think I succeeded. I had to file lots of paperwork, at least compared to other hunts. That included a sort of hunting resume that had to include previous dangerous game hunts. An officer from the Provincial government came out to monitor the hunt. He made me shoot targets with him watching. He held a meeting with me and the PH'S and laid out the rules in no uncertain terms. In no circumstance other than immediate danger of human life was a PH or anyone else to shoot the rhino other than me. That pleased me immensely. There were 3 PH's present which I hate but the Government guy and two of the PH'S stayed way back the entire time. I gave the other two PH'S cameras and they got some good pictures and video.

But yes there was a permit required to hunt that privately owned rhino. And leopard requires a permit even though most if not all leopard are hunted on private land in RSA. They really need to issue a lot more permits for leopard. There is a very robust population.

 

[Tally-Ho HUNTING SAFARIS]

You are correct, I missed Namibia. Honest mistake.

Im just more confused if/how privately owned game can have government quotas placed on them. Seems odd that’s all and I don’t ever recall seeing anyone ever mention hunting black rhino in RSA. And I find it more effective to throw a question out on here, than to sift through google. Let’s face it, there is a shit load of knowledge on here on almost any subject you can think of.

so our wonderful government does control basically the permits on certain threatened or endangered species. bottom line is you cannot even apply to export the trophy without the corresponding hunting permit, wether it be cites or not. so yes certain species even on private land they hold the cards, even though the private land owner bares all the risk and expense of such a specie being on his land.

it is a stupid, archaic...shitty system, this we all know but thats how it is here and we have to live with it for now.
some species which can pass through a fence are not deemed to be owned by the private land owner and thus controlled by nature conservation, such as leopard, cheetah and some others.

certain "tops" (threatened or protected species) animals requires us to go through a lot of effort to get registration and standing permits to have these animals on our land and then we still have to apply to nature conservation to hunt them.

anything else feel free to ask

 

[Tally-Ho HUNTING SAFARIS]

dont even get me started on the leopard quota permit stories in SA, its a fiasco to say the least
it is so much effort and hoops to jump through to just get in the draw to get a permit
etc etc

 

[Tally-Ho HUNTING SAFARIS]

In limpopo none are issued for 2022 yet
There is a process which starts in a week or so. Then hopefully by around may or june if all gos well permits will be issued

 

[Tally-Ho HUNTING SAFARIS]

Also the zones have been pre determined by nature conservation
If you not in a zone you are out of running

Only land owners can apply for permits.

 

[KMG Hunting Safaris]

Also the zones have been pre determined by nature conservation
If you not in a zone you are out of running

Only land owners can apply for permits.

Helps to know the landowners.