Death of Zimbabwe’s Best-Loved Lion Ignites Debate on Sport Hunting

Oh man, the ZCTF is a total joke....

Their excuse for the bad reporting on the other lion is that "no one is perfect." Can you imagine what their reaction would have been of the dentist had said that????

The other mystery lion that was alleged killed is still a mystery, but they will get back to everyone as soon as they can find something out. Geez.... The double standard that is allowed is mind boggling.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/ZCTF-Zimbabwe-Conservation-Task-Force/246013052094585?ref=ts&fref=ts


ZCTF - Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force
Mistaken Identity - Jericho is in fact alive and well and has adopted Cecil's cubs. We were given 3 separate confirmed reports last night that is was Jericho. We could not reach the research station in Hwange to verify if Jericho was indeed alive after they reported that they were receiving signal from his collar.

We apologize for reporting that he had died but were confident that our sources were in fact correct. This was a case of mistaken identity, but a lion has in fact been killed...although we are relieved that it was not Jericho, we are not happy that yet another lion has been killed...

We understand that some people will be very upset about the report but please could we keep this face book page clear of derogatory slurs.

We would like to make it clear that we do NOT support trophy hunting and we do NOT issue permits or licenses to kill animals...in Zimbabwe. We are merely a concerned conservation group trying to help stop the slaughter of Zimbabwe's beautiful animals.
 
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One more point.

The comments both on the FB post and other places are getting less and less one side it seems. As the furor over the initial incident calms down a bit you are seeing a lot more positive comments as well as "this is what we should be worried about?" Type of comments.

My point is, not only does it seem to be calming down a bit, but that the masses seem to be getting annoyed with the over reaction. Staying calm amd continuing to educate the middle is the best course of action, IMO.
 
Spread Rosie Cooney’s message @ http://www.iied.org/rip-cecil-lion-what-will-be-his-legacy-who-should-decide


Rosie Cooney is chair of the IUCN's Commission on Environmental, Economic and Social Policy (CEESP)/Species Survival Commission (SSC) Sustainable Use and Livelihoods Specialist Group. These views do not necessarily reflect those of IUCN.


RIP Cecil the lion – what will be his legacy? And who should decide?
by Rosie Cooney

Outrage over the death of Cecil the lion has led to calls for a ban on trophy hunting, but would this have the desired results?

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Cecil the lion, who was controversially hunted and killed last week, is pictured in 2014. But a ban on trophy hunting may not save lions and have unintended consequences (Photo: Vince O'Sullivan, Creative Commons, via Flickr)

Cecil the lion, a magnificent and much loved senior male, was lured out of a safe haven in Zimbabwe's Hwange National Park last week and illegally shot, to endure a protracted and painful death.

Global outrage and calls for a ban on trophy hunting have followed, but what would be the consequences if such a ban was introduced?

Trophy hunting is the "high value" end of hunting, where people (often wealthy and mainly Westerners) pay top dollar to kill an animal. In southern Africa an area close to twice the size of the region's national parks is used for trophy hunting.

It arouses disgust and revulsion – animals are killed for sport and in some cases (as with lions) not even eaten. Even the millions of weekend recreational hunters filling their freezers are uncertain about trophy hunting.

It seems to have little place in the modern world, where humanity is moving toward an ethical position that increasingly grants animals more of the moral rights that humanity grants (in principle at least) to each other.

So let us move now through the thought bubble where the European Union and North America bans the import of trophies; Namibia, South Africa, Zimbabwe and others ban trophy hunting; the airlines and shipping lines refuse to carry trophies; and the industry dies a slow (or fast) death, ridding the world of this toxic stain on our collective conscience.

Would a ban save lions?
We turn to survey southern Africa, proud of what we have achieved by signing online petitions, lobbying politicians, our Facebook shares and comments. Did we save lions? Have we safeguarded wildlife areas? Have we dealt a death blow to wildlife trafficking? Have we liberated local communities from imperialistic foreign hunters?

Let's go back to Hwange National Park, the scene of Cecil's demise. The Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority, responsible for managing this park, derived most of its income for wildlife conservation across the country from trophy hunting. With minimal revenue from central government (not well known for its good governance and transparent resource allocation), it is now in trouble.

Hwange staff have been radically cut, and there is little money for cars or equipment. Bushmeat poaching is on the rise and the rangers are ill equipped to cope. The commonly used wire snares are indiscriminate, and capture lions and other predators, who die agonising and pointless deaths.

Communities pay the price
In Namibia, more than half of the community-owned conservancies (covering 20 per cent of the country) have collapsed because the loss of revenue from non-hunting sources (mainly tourism) is not enough to keep them viable.

Namibia's innovative communal conservancies have been responsible for dramatic increases in wildlife outside of national parks, including elephant, lion and black rhino over the last 20 years, with income from trophy hunting and tourism encouraging communities to turn their land over to conservation.

Communities retain 100 per cent of benefits from sustainable use of wildlife, including tourism, live sales and hunting – almost 18 million Namibian dollars in 2013.

This money was spent by communities on schools, healthcare, roads, training, and on employing 530 game guards to protect their wildlife. Now it is gone. A few conservancies have managed to find wealthy philanthropic donors – but they cross their fingers the generosity will continue to flow for decades to come.

Communities are angry – they were never asked by the outraged what they thought about this. Few journalists or social media activists ever reflected their side of the story. Their right to make decisions for themselves has been expropriated by foreign people, who are not accountable or responsible for living with wildlife.

Disappearing wildlife
Where the conservancies have collapsed, wildlife has largely been wiped out. The bad old days have returned, and wildlife is worth more dead than alive.

Hungry bellies are fed with illegal bushmeat and the armed poaching gangs have moved in. Communities are no longer interested in helping police to protect wildlife, game guard programmes have collapsed for lack of funds, and rhino horns, lion bone and ivory are being shipped illicitly to East Asia.

In South Africa, trophy hunting has stopped, including the small proportion that was "canned" (where the lion is effectively trapped). On the private game reserves that covered some 20 million hectares of the country, though, revenues from wildlife have collapsed.

Those with scenic landscapes that are easy to access and have adequate infrastructure can make enough from photo-tourism to be viable. But other landowners are returning to cattle, goats and crops in order to educate their children, run a car, pay their mortgages.

Wildlife on these lands has largely gone along with its habitat – back to the degraded agriculture landscapes from before the 1970s when wildlife use (including hunting) became legal here. Lions that were on these farmlands are long gone, and those that remain in national parks are shot as problem animals as soon as they leave the park.

Speculative? Yes, but a reasonable prediction. This has happened before.

Bans on trophy hunting in Tanzania (1973-78), Kenya (1977) and Zambia (2000-03) accelerated a rapid loss of wildlife due to the removal of incentives for conservation. Early anecdotal reports suggest this may already be happening in Botswana, which banned all hunting last year.

Let us mourn Cecil, but be careful what we wish for.
 

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We all know what will happen when hunting (trophy or not) goes away. However, we also know that the other side will never admit it when the disaster happens. Worse yet, they will never even know it. They will be on the latest "Confederate Flag/Cecil" subject of the day.
 
Their excuse for the bad reporting on the other lion is that "no one is perfect." Can you imagine what their reaction would have been of the dentist had said that????

I was blocked and post deleted for stating the above on the ZCTF page.

LOL!!!!
 
So now I guess Jericho is alive and well, but a few months ago in April, another lion was illegally killed by another evil American hunter? Just read that story. The dentist is probably glad to hear of that!
 
What amazes me is this story is a week old and people are still posted comments with the wrong facts. It directly contradicts what is reported in article above, they don't even take the time to read the story above. They just post whatever and are shocked when someone disagrees. It is just painful to read and I have come accept, that these people cannot be reasoned with because they are too lazy to even read the article they are commenting on. How can you present a fact based argument with expert opinions and research if they cant even read the article they are posting on. SMH.
 
Sorry for the repeat, but this is the only internet site I belong to. So does anyone here know if there was any outrage on Facebook or by ZCTF about the reported "slaughter" of a "lion trophy" and "two elephants" for despot Bob Mugabe's birthday bash in February of this year? The cost for the "lion trophy" and other animals for the birthday "slaughter" was reportedly £78,000, approximately $121,800.

The killing of a Zimbabwe trophy lion solely for the pleasure of guests attending a birthday bash just a few months before the Palmer incident should have been important to the same people jumping up and down and frothing at the mouth now. But was it?

http://metro.co.uk/2015/02/17/mugab...-elephant-meat-for-his-91st-birthday-5066867/
 
Sorry for the repeat, but this is the only internet site I belong to. So does anyone here know if there was any outrage on Facebook or by ZCTF about the reported "slaughter" of a "lion trophy" and "two elephants" for despot Bob Mugabe's birthday bash in February of this year? The cost for the "lion trophy" and other animals for the birthday "slaughter" was reportedly £78,000, approximately $121,800.

The killing of a Zimbabwe trophy lion solely for the pleasure of guests attending a birthday bash just a few months before the Palmer incident should have been important to the same people jumping up and down and frothing at the mouth now. But was it?

http://metro.co.uk/2015/02/17/mugab...-elephant-meat-for-his-91st-birthday-5066867/

Yes, they did speak out against it, but not to the degree they did this time. Don't believe they call Mugabe a murderer.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...birthday-party-elephant-meat-lion-zimbabwe-91
 
. . . thanks.
 
Going to be pretty hard for clients if they insist that you need to be the one making sure your hunt is legal and in the right place. Basically client will be held responsible irrespective of what happens.
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All I take in from the anti's is that they will sleep better at night if lion hunting is banned and when lions decrease in numbers to where they have to be in a fence or highly guarded day and night....then they will be happy, because then they will have all the control.
 
I'm curious, if the dentist wounded that lion and it took 40 hours to find it, and kill it. Wouldn't it already have bled to death during that time period?
 
Unt2007, depending where it was hit, it could live for weeks.
 
Really I gotta say I'm starting to really sweat about getting my lion home. Seems the Obama anti band wagon is all fired up and I hope I'm not one of the unlucky fellows that gets screwed because of this mess.
 
Gizmo, you are on the hot-seat, anything can happen...especially with Obama.
 

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