195 Gr 7mm Barnes Original

[Nomore606]

I stumbled a cross these, and they are in pristine condition. I'm planning on loading these for my 7x64 with H4831SC. Does anyone have any experience with these bullets?

 

[Inline6]

The BC is not great for that weight of a bullet, don't think they sell them anymore. I would wedger the reson why.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

SD is off the charts though. Gotta be a great hunting bullet if you can get them to shoot. I’m guessing not originally intended for long range application

 

[Nomore606]

I'm not concerned with BC as most shots are under 200 meters. I plan to develop a load for black bear and possibly elk. This is an old bullet design, and there are better designs, but it's fun to experiment.

 

[Nomore606]

SD is off the charts though. Gotta be a great hunting bullet if you can get them to shoot. I’m guessing not originally intended for long range application

No, I assume these were designed for modest ranges (0 - 250 yards) and meant for deep penetration and expansion.

 

[ChrisG]

the 7x64 should be able to throw those about 2,400-2,500fps. IF your gun will stabilize them. That is like trying to spin a pencil on its point and keep it upright like a top. 7x64 is usually a 1:9 or 1:10 twist. according to Berger's Stability calculator and This data about the bullet, if your gun is 1:10, it will be really on the brink of solid stability at 2,450fps. At 1:9 it should be fine down to a muzzle velocity of 1,500fps or maybe below.

I wish more people made bullets like the older style. I would love to find someone selling hornady 175 grain .284 RNSP bullets to load in my .280 Rem.

best of luck!

 

[Nomore606]

the 7x64 should be able to throw those about 2,400-2,500fps. IF your gun will stabilize them. That is like trying to spin a pencil on its point and keep it upright like a top. 7x64 is usually a 1:9 or 1:10 twist. according to Berger's Stability calculator and This data about the bullet, if your gun is 1:10, it will be really on the brink of solid stability at 2,450fps. At 1:9 it should be fine down to a muzzle velocity of 1,500fps or maybe below.

I wish more people made bullets like the older style. I would love to find someone selling hornady 175 grain .284 RNSP bullets to load in my .280 Rem.

best of luck!

My main hunting load is 175 gr Hornady round nose at roughly 2700 fps. The round nose seems to penetrate straight and expand well. It's also one of the most accurate loads for my rifle. I agree with you that the focus is on extreme distances that border on what I'd consider unethical.

 

[fourfive8]

Work up some loads and post results including pics of targets.

 

[Nomore606]

Update; they shot keyholes, so I'll most likely put them up for sale.

 

[fsrmg1]

I believe that they were originally intended to be used in the 7 mm Remington Mag at full hilt. Back in the 80's, one of my friends used them in a Rem 700 with a full case of H870. If I remember right, he got acceptable hunting accuracy (1 1/2"-2" groups at 100), but nothing stellar. When he bought them, he got some Barnes data to go with them, this was pre Barnes reloading manual era.

 

[Nomore606]

I believe that they were originally intended to be used in the 7 mm Remington Mag at full hilt. Back in the 80's, one of my friends used them in a Rem 700 with a full case of H870. If I remember right, he got acceptable hunting accuracy (1 1/2"-2" groups at 100), but nothing stellar. When he bought them, he got some Barnes data to go with them, this was pre Barnes reloading manual era.

I loaded with H4831 SC with an almost max load. I fear that I could push them faster, and they may stabilize for a short distance and then start to tumble. I don't think my rifle has a fast enough twist rate to stabilize reliably, even though the calculator on the berger website stated it would.

 

[RayAtkinson]

Its best to have a 1x9 twist and most 7x54s have that..but the 160 Nosler is a better penetrator. I suspect that 195 bullet didn't pass muster or it would still be in productiion.

Folks seem to be drawn to old bullets of yesterday for some reason, I lived and used those old bullets and they almost all failed from time to time, Todays bullets are oh so much better..saves long tracking jobs using Accubonds and partitions..I even have ammo I loaded with old Barnes and Win West. open point expanded 50 or so years ago that failed. The only survivor is the Rem or Peters Core Lokt, its still a good bullet..I also have old European bullets loaded for the 9,3x62 that are quite old, I bought them before we ever heard of the 9,3x62 they are almost accurate and kill well even when they fail to expand. SAme with the old 8x57 bullets that show up now and then..and yes as in my opening stated I also was drawn to old bullets in past year..

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I stumbled a cross these, and they are in pristine condition. I'm planning on loading these for my 7x64 with H4831SC. Does anyone have any experience with these bullets?View attachment 570754

@Nomore606
From memory they were designed for the 7mm Barnes QT (Quick twist) that had a faster twist than standard and drove them at quite good velocity.
There was also a 200grain for the 6.5 Barnes QT that reputedly drove it at around 2,8000fps from memory but I could be wrong as usual.
Bob

 

[RayAtkinson]

YES SIR AND THEY COULD VERY WELL BE DESIGNED FOR THOSE OLD 7X57 MOD 95 AN 96 MAUSERS THAT FLOODED THE COUNTRY IN THAT TIME SPAN AND MIGHT BE TOO SOFT FOR MODERN 7X57 RIFLES...NOTHING SPOILS A HUNT LIKE AN EXTENDED BLOOD TRAIL CAUSED BY A DISENIGRATED BULLET ON HIDE,