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I got a news flash for you. Just because a hunter chooses not to use a lever action does not mean that he does not hunt a lot or shoot a lot. A .45-70 is nowhere near the middle in capability for big, tough, dangerous game. It is about the equal e f a .30-06, which has also been used to kill...

And sometimes the parent says, "Don't do that, you'll kill yourself!" Then the kid does it just to.prove he can. Then dies because it was a bad idea.

A lot of people confuse something that can be done with something that should be done.

Right! With.proper hand loads my .458 Winchester sends 500 grain bullets out at 2160 fps. That would be the sane as a 470 NE. I am nit especially recoil shy, but I can see no reason to take more abuse at my end.

Nope. It was just obvious.

Have you used every caliber and every bullet available to shoot an animal? No, of course not. Now do you have any opinions.on which cartridges are suitable for certain animals? I would hope so. While many.people here think that the mono bullets work as well as quality leaded bullets, none seem...

Yes, and despite the fact that many people believe that mono bullets are as capable as bonded lead core bullets, I have seen nothing that shows that a .270 (or any other cartridge) becomes more capable than it would be because mono bullets are used. That is exactly what I said when this thread...

I wouldn't use one on a cape buffalo OR a rhino!

It's pretty clearly a claw. Think of a house cat's teeth and claws and multiply it by about 50 times. Feline teeth are for biting, claws are for clinging. Cheetahs are a little different but In general that's how cat anatomy works.

Now this I can believe. It makes a lot more sense than just a belief that switching to copper bullets will make a rifle more lethal. Sometimes they work well and other times lead is still better. Maybe I would have had better results with copper bullets if I had gone through the intensive...

Good. Now did you recover the bullet? Had it expanded? I have read many accounts of mono bullets failing to expand on long shots.

And yet a study done it n.humans that ate a lot of game shot with lead bullets and bird shot did not show higher concentrations of lead in their blood streams than did those that did not eat game meat. I think of my grandparents that all ate game for their entire lives. They all died as old...

I also have many animals killed quite dead with lead based bullets. At which point did mono bullets become more effective than lead based bullets? That was the original question. I stirred up the shit storm by saying that I didn't think an all all copper bullet would make a .270 more capable...

I also had good luck with Partitions on my first safari. 180 grains out of a .30-06.

Nice bull. Where did the bullet hit?

I don't have to fail at something myself to learn from others. PH's telling people to use Barnes? None that I've ever heard of, unless maybe they were one of several choices that the PH listed as as acceptable. I actually asked my PH that question. In the past he had.liked Partitions, now he...

Exactly!

Yep. I've never taken two big bores on a safari, but if I broke my 300 the .458 could be made to work for PG. Fortunately, I haven't had a rifle fail in Africa.

For those of us that find the R8 to be too much money, two rifles in two chamberings makes the most sense. A .458 is great.for buffalo or elephant but not really that good for PG. On my last buffalo hunt / plains game hunt I found a .300 WM and a .458 WM in a wheeled twin rifle case worked...

I have eondered.the same thing. I moved out of California before unleaded bullets were mandated.

If they were not accurate in my rifle why would I shoot an animal with them? The friends of mine in California are now restricted to lead free ammo, and they are not happy with the result. Is that so hard to comprehend?

Friends of mine still in California would not agree. Anyway, didn't Roy Weatherby use his .257 Wby. to kill a cape buffalo? I never thought that was a good idea, using mono bullets would not change my mind.

I have never shot an animal with them, but they were not accurate in the rifle that I loaded them.for. It is my feeling that they were created more to satisfy the "Greenies" than to improve the efficiency of a cartridge. Copper is less dense than lead, and harder. It brings it's own issues.

Sounds like you know.

I was also going to point out that it was a claw.

I do not think that lead free ammunition has made any cartridge more lethal.

I also heard it.from Army and Marine veterans. In a firefight you really don't want to.run out of anything (like loaded magazines).

With your military background I'm sure you've heard the expression, "Two is one, and one is none." I was never in the military, but I learned that in law enforcement. I.do salute your service though.

Catastrophes do not occur? One time while hunting in Nevada my buddy fell and wrecked the scope on his rifle. My spare rifle came in handy. I used my .30-06 with a decent Leupold in Africa without a problem. After I got back I went on a hog hunt near home. I snuck in on a group of young pigs in...

On my two buffalo hunts, I used a .458 Win for the buff. I took PG who a.30-06 with 180 grain Partitions on the first trip, and a .300 Win with 200 grain AccuBonds on the next one. On the whole I think the .300 worked better. Expansion and penetration are the two factors. You could use your...

You mean CCI Stingers aren't good for moose? No! You should get your money back!

A great bullet will not make up for poor marksmanship, but a bad bullet can undo a good shot. Both factors count.

Yes, the Ballistic Tips, and also the Solid Base Boat Tails. Way too explosive. I did have good luck with the Partitions and noe load the AccuBonds for pretty much everything.

Let us know how you like them. I'm interested in anything that has me carrying fewer things!

Kinda scary isn't it? What the Hell is that?

Whoever it was, I agree with him. Although I do like nice walnut too.

Tell your dad that a story.like that makes me proud to be an American.

Who was it, Jack O'Connor maybe, that said, "Only accurate titles are interesting." If I can't get a rifle to shoot at about 1" with hunting loads at 100 yards it won't be going hunting with.me. Even my .458 does that and I can't think of anything that I would be shooting a .458 at that would...

I think a .30-06 with good 180s is a fine choice for anything in Lower 48.

I agree. As traveling with more than two long guns can be problematic, I have pretty much narrowed down to matching .300 Win Mag and .458 Win Mag at least for Africa. They are both on Mark X actions with Model 70 type safeties and Timney triggers. It he handling and fire controls are identical...

That's exactly the way I would go. I have an older push feed version, which never failed me in NA or Africa, but I really want one of the CRF models.

In Zimbabwe I remember seeing horns on skull caps Hanging at peoples homes. One was a kudu and another was a sable. The locals didn't seem to want to.spend a lot on trophies.

.300 Winchester Maximum with 200 grain AccuBonds. The combination worked very well on everything from a young impala ewe up through a big waterbuck bull. I'm sure it would be great on.kudu, and most likely eland. I intend to find out about eland on my next trip as I haven't taken an eland yet.

I have been known to say, "If God did not intend for Man to shoot cats He would not habe made them look like targets." ;-)

On rifle cartridges up to .300 Win Mag, I don't bother to crimp. When I load for my .458 Win Mag though I crimp every round. The bullet weight and recoil lead me to believe that it's a good idea!

For most.of my life I have hunted DIY in North America. I have climbed mountains over 10,000', hunted in 100+° temps (a lot), and fought cold and snow. I have killed.many blacktails, a few mule deer and two pronghorns on my own. Africa is different. Yes, generally there are many.more animals to...

True, and very well said!

Cheer up! The AMA assures us that smokers die 15 years earlier than those that.do not smoke. That means 65ish as opposed to 80ish. That means that you are not paying anything for smokers after they die. The public is not paying anything for the arthritic diseases, non-smoking related cancers (...

Agreed. While I don't hunt anything behind game fences, or put-and-take and certainly understand why many object to it, I do not advocate for the complete outlawing of CBL hunting. As you said, "As long as it is a challenging and ethical hunt..." but the practise leaves a lot of room for...

Generally, I find most smokers to be much less obnoxious than those in the anti-smoking (or gun, hunting, meat eating, hunting, etc.) camp.