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There are guys on Castboolits forum experimenting with locking on plastic bases securely on slugs. Making their own front heavy ones for smoothbores. Here is picture of our 585BB case next to long 585HE. Here is another view of the great camo job on the 585HE Enfield, a top view. Ed

Here is a Midland break action a guy is doing in 24ga FH. Here is old catalog picture of different stuff used in old days for shotgun loads. Some would be hairy in brass cases Here is picture of a MN a guy is doing 585HE in.. It is singleshot. Redid bolt handle, mounted it on the bolt...

So far we know 71 and 86 Wins and big steel frame Henry used for 45-70. Ed

We will have arrived when we have this big bore in our back yard, Kind of a neat suppressor, Here is folder shotgun, the guys set up as 24ga FH. Shoots nice, looks nice, it a more expensive break action, compared to many others. Here is another view of what we feel is a nearly perfect...

Here is picture of a great old time 8bore double. I like those old outside hammer, big bore guns. The style of most break actions singles aren't the greatest, that we we used for 12ga FH, 10ga FH, other caliber barrels we mono-blocked in them like .585" bore for 585HE and 24ga FH.. One...

Here is picture of a hard plastic molded shotgun cases, holding a slug, without crimping, a company is experimenting with. These with light brass slugs supposed to do over 2000 fps. Here is video by Corlanes Sporting, Dawson Creek, BC, CAN. Known as Rocky Mtn Rifle. Video is on Youtube...

A poster reading our threads said '' I'm slowly becoming a recoilapheliac''.. That is neat term , and very glad that folks are catching the big bore fever. Here is a simple, yet neat peep sight we can use on the rear sporterized bridges of Enfields, works on other rear bridges also.Including...

That is great and good luck with the project. ED

Here is a picture from the back, of a big Lawton action that our 585HE fits in nice. Scope rail on there is tapered for long range shooting. Here is what our wildcatter buddy is making from our 585HE brass to see how they look and experiment with. He is getting reamers, dies, and gun setup...

Here is picture of another neat sporterizing deal for Enfields. On those without rear bridge pocket welded up, we just mill down and shape it so debth of the pocket matches bottom section of weaver rail and screw or epoxy it in. Shape to drive in hole tight. Can use as a rear scope ring mount...

Here is couple different setups our guys checking for our 585HE in a long, Lawton Cheytac action. First laminated thumbhole stock. Second in a Hogue Compstock. The action can mount a scope rail like shown on the table in 1st picture or a receiver sight in 2nd picture. The scope rail is a...

Here we kill two birds with one stone so to speak, Best case sizer is the MEC Collet Super Sizer and it can double as a case holder when we roll crimp. Much better hold than the ones made to hold cases for crimping, that cost a lot. Save cost of a holder, plus have best sizer around

Here is picture of 375 Warlord next to our 585 case he made it from. He is going to make couple later necked down to 416, and 458. There is another guy working on doing one necked down to 357 wildcat. Here is a picture of our poster Biebs on AR, 585 HE, in a MPI stock. He used a big...

Here is picture of a lightweight Barnes bullet in 24ga FH. Guys cut the back off of 750gr bullet off to get 500gr weight. Here is picture 58 cal Minie slug that's little long on the side for our 12ga sabot, with the front of the slug above the grooves swaged to fit in sabot. The swaged...

Probably first 375 caliber cartridge made from 585HE necked down, the 375 Warlord. Guy did a real nice job, with what looks similiar to a Weatherby style shoulder. Kinda outdoes Weatherby & Cheytac. We have cases with no headstamps for wildcatters. First notice of the case sent to me...

The 12ga FH isn't the first wildcat case built on BMG brass, it was preceded by target rounds like the necked down 338 Talbot, the cut off 700 DKT for big game, necked down to .416 and . 458, and more, but the following one was way before them, in my favorite rifle caliber, for .585" bullets...

Here is picture of our NEF 12ga FH with Hogue Compstock. It has the recoiling cam and springs in the hollow butt plus some weght, Here is a variety of slugs and bullets that fit in the 12ga dangerous game slug, lock on sabot. BPI sells that DG slug. . There is couple 585 videos on Swann...

A CZ 550 will do, iand f it is 375 you have to do the work to make it feed and make long mag box like CZ factory has for the Gibbs case. Or buy long box. and fit to the action. Magnum mausers are longer than 98s, easy to see, and they will be heat treated right. The enfields we use are the...

Ed here- Matt clued me in that there is the big bore fever on the loose here.We can help. Ok, my 585 HE goes in any long action bolt gun that feeds a Gibbs. As well as Ruger#1 and other singleshots. First two AUS buffalos killed with the 585HE was in a Ruger #1. The CZ550 works, the MRC PH...

For lightweight plinking, deer hunting, etc, in 585HE as well as 24ga FH here is picture of 58cal Hornady sabot that holds .451/.452" light bullets 225 to 300 gr. A way to shoot targets economically. Low recoil but a big bang and satisfaction. A 250 gr bullet would go about mach 4 with a top...

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Our 585HE is straightwalled and I have monoblocked it in a NEF SB2 10ga frame. The guy in TX with video on youtube has one in video. 760gr 2100 ok 650gr at 23-2400 ok. Barrels in good supply, 25 here, cases in large supply, dies good supply, all much better priced than any other stuff for...

Guys asking about using 585 CEB bullet in our 12ga super sabot. Here is picture, We just took off the bottom band and couple middle bands on the CEB and it fit perfect in our 12ga sabot, which uses .575" slugs. Hollowpoint one pictured 700gr in the sabot loaded in brass case. Can be used in...

Here is picture of 585HE 100 cases loaded, CEB solid nose bullets and hollowpoints. This bullet is a turned solid with wide meplat or wide hollowpoint. . Here is picture of triball loads that fellows like for deer and hogs, and just general tear em up fun, with using BPGS seal to improve...

First AUS buffalo killed by 585HE. By Tankhunter with his Ruger #1. If you use closeup on picture, you see loaded round on the buffs hide next to the 585HE Ruger #1.... A nice heavy barreled gun..Ed 　 I put the 585 in a Savage 112, lots of room lengthwise, figuring out an extractor is a...

Finally got back to forums.Been busy with 24ga FH and 585HE and getting 585HE cases made, as many as possible... We are now working a bit with 24ga FH and here is picture of it with our 585HE case. Both use same bullets/slugs, same bore barrels. Main use difference, 24ga FH easy setup in break...

Here is picture of 24ga cases, loads; and some slugs and seals. Brass cases are 3", plastic cases are 2.5". Brass 3" can be loaded to match 577NE power. Here is of 24ga in an 87 Win, just test gun of mine. Uses same barrels as our 585HE, This one has slow twist for Minie bullets.Our guys...

Here is good simple system with big hollowbase slugs to stop the skirts from deforming, I found that dense dow foam works good, I was using glue gun but dow foam is easier, Just cut plugs out of foam sheet and force into the base. Make a tight fit, use spot of glue inside, glue that is for...

Some guys in 12ga like to use the Magtech brass cases but the cases being brass the sides are thinner than plastic, and that makes loose fit in 12ga chambers. And cases expand a lot with heavier loaded slug loads, are harder to resize, wear out quicker. But I found that .750 hollowbase 10ga slug...

Here is picture of 24ga FH in the Mossberg bolt gun. On a Mossy 390 frame, .585" heavy barrel, same as 24ga size. Chamber is set up 3" with shotgun style forcing cone, so it can use 2.5" plastic cases and 2.5" Magtech brass cases with slugs or shot and for 3" cases we use 577NE 3" brass...

Another use for 58cal Minie Bullets would be to setup a 24ga FH. Minie bullets cheap to cast and buy. We use the .575-.577" in our 12ga sabot, and the .585-.587 in my 585HE. And you could use 577 NE bullets also. For those in shotgun only areas there is a way. You can get 2.5" Magtech brass...

Here is picture of the group improvement a guy had shooting our sabots in a real tight barrel. Actually an undersize barrel compared to Savage and Nef barrels. Had a wide open group with shotgun powder but made it much smaller using much more of the slower 4759. There is a guy now in...

In above post we compare the top thickness of sabots .Here is comparison of the thickness of the sides of two types of brass 12ga cases, the RMC turned case and the thinner Magtech drawn case. Easy to see you can't size with same dies and sometimes you have to use different wads.. In posts...

Here is picture of our 12ga sabots with the marks that the barrel lands made, marked with black marker. The one with narrow mark is Savage barrel and one with wide mark is an Abolt barrel. And the ones fired in Savage and NEFs with the narrow lands the marks impressed into the plastic getting...

One of our sabot testers with tight barrel, Abolt, with wide lands in the barrel, who couldn't do any good at all with our sabot and Alliant Steel and one type of slug, had to go to IMR 4759. It would twist up the sabot petals. Terrible accuracy. My guns have NEF/Sav size barrels and...

Here is picture of current 58cal slug options that you can get molds for from Lyman, Just make sure they are .574" to .577" diameter, the best size for the 12ga sabots. A barrel of 585HE cases..Ed Made by Bertram and I tested them to max loads and cases hardly expanded, 650gr over 3000...

We have moved few thousand sabots.More here. Here is picture of an 8ga wad with tube slug in it, we made. A pallet load of our 585HE cases has arrived in the US and will be here in little while. And should be another pallet of them this fall. Here is picture of our 585 with the solid turned...

Here is 16ga discarding sabots made from grey ones with other 16ga slugs.. 20 ga factory sabot on left for comparison. Here is picture of 12ga wads showing good and bad support to the bottom of the slug.If in part of the loads the support gets cocked, then the slug won't be straight on and...

What causes sabot problems/inaccuracy. Some pictures will help. First 2 shows a skinny post that pushes on a cushion or sabot bottom and it can bend or deflect which if that way when exiting barrel can start sabot or slug crooked. And more important item that causes a lack of accuracy is if...

The sabots work in brass cases .First is sabot in a Magtech brass case, next to 3" plastic.. In shorter brass it would hold about as much powder as in longer plastic if loaded like in the picture.. Sabots are about .734-735" with slugs in them, and the Magtech brass with its thin sides still...

Some more info about our sabots and various slug weights...... First and most important is our sabots fitting real tight like the Accutip Sabots, they will not get the same speed at the same pressures as the undersize grey and blue ones, But they do leave the barrel headed straighter and...

Here is picture of 45-50yd target, used a scoped NEF Ultra, the sabot load of a 440gr 58cal slug in it at 1800... Measures 2.5" on outside for 3 shots. Here is pic of almost 2100 of them. More coming. Time to get them and get loads working. And A little funnin humor for us big bore nuts..Ed

Here is picture of a bunch of the sabots with different slugs and bullets. Back Row- Two roundball load, balls 285gr each-- pointed long 700 gr -- a blunt solid 700gr-- tungsten slug 1000gr --- jacketed bullet -- 600gr. 2nd row-611 Lyman 530gr Minie- 500gr flat base- Lee 500gr hard--Lee 500gr...

We have a winner it seems. The 12ga sabots using 58cal slugs. The sample 12ga sabots got here earlier this week. And we got a bunch of testing already for opening and sealing, and some accuracy testing .440gr Minie bullet, measuring .575"; with OD of sabot with slug in it of .737" It...

Here is picture of the 12ga short brass RMC cases being used in the 1887 WIN shown above. They are 2 5/8" long cases and we get 600gr over 1900. He had work done on action to get it to feed these and 3" roll crimped plastic. Brass loaded about same length as 3' plastic crimped little long...

First picture is of a nice finished 87 Winchester Will Sanders got set up and he is using short brass cases.Beautiful scroll work on the stock. Next is takeoff of a slug idea from Longbow on Cast Boolits, 12ga lead roundball with section copper tube, wads compressed inside, BPGS seal on...

Last picture above shows what can be with sabots. It was thought to be 20ga size when we got picture, but it is a smaller 45cal caliber sabot with 30cal streamlined bullets in them. This was set up by the poster 'edge' on Castbullets forum. More info on the SPW sabots with 520 gr Lyman...

Little work on non-discarding 12ga sabots,You can get SPW wads without slugs in them and we set up one for a light load. We put a 20ga Lyman in some and they stay together ok. Just shorten the bottom skirt of Lyman and bevel the bottom corner. Total weight sabot and all is 360gr,,Shown In the...

In our research to find economical and easy to use setups to load various slug/sabot combos in 12, 20 and other gauges, you've seen what we are doing with 58cal slugs in 12ga accutip type sabot we are getting built, and 58cal slugs in 20ga BPI Commander shotwad. You've seen pics of group shot...

First is picture of the 8ga Falling Block with texturized paint finish on the stock. It enhances the grip quite a bit on hard recoil guns. Second is the Greener that I have my 585 HE in.Also have 12ga barrel for it.. Third is Magtech singleshot action that I'm experimenting with...