Old Guns, Identification, Can you help...?

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Gentleman, I will post four old guns...
They came around 1900 from Africa/Tansania to Germany in an musseum.
(They have no marks, no stamps, no signing, pp.)

Please:
Can you give some comments?

Thank you.
 
Nr. 1

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Nr. 2

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Nr. 3

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Nr. 4

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not much to go on, but i don,t think they are worth to much. maybe good wall hangers in your gun room.
 
All appear to be in relic condition which means they don’t have great value. All appear to be original smith made black powder muzzleloaders. #s 1,3,4 appear to be percussion arms and # 2 is a snap hance. It is likely the oldest of the group by far. The snap hance appeared during the wheel lock era in the mid 1500s and was replaced by its cousin the flintlock in the 1600s which was in turn replaced by percussion ignition in the early 1800s. However, even estimating a manufacture date range for any of these would be, at best, a guess.
 
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