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Gun would need to go to an FFL to be legal. Pretty gun, but money is too tight to buy guns this year.

Always loved the look of brass solids in polished brass cases!

Wow, that is one heck of a write up! For better or worse it will be a hunt you will never forget. Personally... I'd be willing to try it.

As the others have said, a good modern expanding bullet ideal for buffalo.

I don't think I've heard of BSA, thank you for sharing.

The 416 RM is a more flexible cartridge. It will make for easier shots at longer ranges and greater tissue damage all while having less recoil. Having said that, there is nothing wrong with the 458 WM. As @Hunter-Habib said, load it with a good 450gr bullet at around 2200fps and it should be...

It's been ages since I've looked, but if memory serves, they are similar in price to Heym. I recommend sending them an email asking about getting one in Canada.

If you have a 458, I see no reason to get a 470. It just isn't much of a step up. A proper step up is 50 caliber rifle. A 500 NE, 505 Gibbs, or 500 Jeffery will do a fine job of filling that roll. Deciding on a bolt action or a double will depend on preference. 20k CA will get you a nice custom...

You cannot tell by shaking a cartridge. A simple question to the seller should tell you if it's a live cartridge. As a general rule for shooting ammunition of any kind. If you are unsure of it's origins, don't attempt to use it.

I live in WA, a walk down the wrong street in Seattle will get you a free prostate exam.

That room is bigger, safer, and cheaper than many apartments in the cities here. It also come with free medical and dental.

Have you tried emailing Swift?

Here is my old girl, a W.J. Jeffery 8-bore 3.25" double rifle. She is either 127 or 128 years old (the data below is not exactly correct). I'm awful at taking pictures, so I'll include pictures taken by someone else as well.

Hope he heals quickly with no long term issues! Those trackers are absolute heroes and went way above and beyond what is expected of a tracker!

So if a top end gun maker told you they would make you a single free DG rifle (bolt or double) in any cartridge... You would have it made in 458 WM?

The 458 WM is a cartridge you settle on... It's not usually your first pick.

@Ridge Runner I wasn't saying Pedersoli was a bad company, they just aren't known for quality double barrel rifles.

One made by a respected double rifle maker who has many years of double rifle manufacturing experience under their belt. I have never heard of Fair, but Sabatti and Pedersoli are not known for good quality double rifles.

I would recommend saving your money and buying a better double. I have gone down the "cheap double" rabbit hole and it was a waste of money. Look for a second hand or antique gun. I just did a search on gunsinternational.com and found plenty of nice guns at reasonable prices.

One is never truly done creeping!

Please stop posting stuff that has already posted.

A well made 577 NE double would be my dream gun for elephant. I would use either iron sights or a red dot, depending on the rifle.

It was incredibly popular during the age of professional ivory hunting! A simple Google search will yield volumes of reports on this old cartridges performance.

The 577 NE was one of the first NE cartridges. The other cartridges simply didn't exist when it hit the market. It was a major improvement over the other common DG cartridges at the time. The 600 NE was made later, for big bore junkies... Like me.

For extra fun yould could use cast bullets and black powder. This would save precious smokeless powder for full power loads. It would be an absolute hoot to shoot!

Before smokeless powder, 50 caliber guns were considered tools for medium game. Simply down load the cartridge and go for it.

I prefer more traditional wood/steel guns. A normal wood stock of correct dimensions with some lead added for weight has always been good enough for me. I was shooting a 600gr bullets at 2300fps from my AHR 505 Gibbs without issue.

That's a shame, but I can understand.

I'm going to test loads of 270gr and 265gr of Schutzen FFg under a ball to see if I can improve my ball cartridges. I will do the same with the 1200gr bullet at a later date. Perhaps they used a larger grain of power more like Fg size powder? I have tried on multiple occasions, but the smoke...

Glad to hear both he and the dog will be ok! This one will make for a neat story around the campfire.

@channelkat @Doug Hamilton The guns I plan on bringing are close range critters. At least in my case, 50-75 yards will be plenty. Is there a particular month and time frame that works for both of you?

I think the max range at the Everett Sportsman is 100 yards. Kenmore doesn't work, because they don't allow people to shoot off sticks (least that's what they told me when I called). Looks like fun! I'll try to contact them, thank you.

No idea, I've never heard of it.

We could go to the Everett Sportsman. It's a nice little range under the hwy 2 bridge.

@Boone66 I do find it interesting that Schutzen FFg seems to be equal or more potent then the original black powder used. My ball load over 10 drams of powder actually crosses and increasing my powder load on the 1200gr bullets to 285gr completely destroyed any regulation I had with 10 drams.

In the immortal words of my friend, "look at that back fat jiggle!". :E Rofl: In the first video it's hard to tell, but the second video its more obvious, these cartridges have fairly heavy recoil. They don't hurt to shoot but they strain the muscles on your back. My limit is 4 shots in a...

I did some more testing today, this was a 1200gr bullet over 285gr of FFg black powder. Sadley, these did not shoot well, but for a change, my neighbor was there to record the testing. Here are some short videos, hope they work:

I've had a couple more glasses of gin since my first post and it is growing on me. I don't know if I will buy it again, but it certainly isn't a bad drink for a pleasant evening with my neighbors.

Nothing clears the brain fog like a healthy dose of recoil. ;)

Again, I think it we need to chalk it up to the rifle. I'm sure a 460 WBY could be fine to shoot if the gun was properly built. I have fired cartridges that would EASILY produce more recoil than a 460 WBY or 378 WBY and they were not terrible. My current selection of large bore cartridges would...

My first glass of gin. Sorry for the mediocre picture, my house isn't well lit and my camera skills are mediocre at best. It's not what I was expecting and has a very curious flavor. I'm not really sure what to make of it, it certainly doesn't taste bad, but I'm not sure if it's my thing...

I haven't had the chance to shoot a Weatherby rifle yet. But I have seen first hand how much of a difference there can be from gun to gun with powerful cartridges. To date, the least comfortable rifle I have ever shot was a Winchester M70 in 458 WM.

I imagine that would depend heavily on the rifle it was being fired from.

I could go like many of my co-workers, slowly dying from cancer after a life of factory work. Or I could risk getting flattened by a truck on the highway. If I'm lucky I might even get killed hunting dangerous game... But sadly that is less likely than the truck while riding my bike. I have...

I've often thought it would be neat to get a rifle in 378 WBY but it's never been high on my list. Not sure about there rifles, have never shot one.

Now that you have a 375 and a 416, you're going to need a 458 or 470. Then we can talk about your future 500.

Well I was at the store last night and somehow a bottle Hendrick's ended up in the cart. Not sure how it got there but I'm assuming @BeeMaa and @spike.t, along with the other enablers here, had something to do with it.

I live out in the woods, I haven't been to a range in years.

I'm thinking July or August but I'm open to other ideas.

If we shoot in WA, see the post above yours. Otherwise it will depend on others. Time frame will depend on what works best for most.