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No matter what I do - don't vote, vote for a 3rd party, vote for Trump... none of those results in an actual vote for Biden. That's just plain statistical fact.
 
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I usually only read this Politics forum, trying to learn from my AH fellows. This Wall Street Journal (hopefully not behind a paywall...) is worth reading. It is by John Lehman, President's Reagan's Secretary on the Navy. And those were great times to be in uniform, weren't they?

Reagan Would Never Vote for Trump
"He also didn't care much for Biden. Like me, he'd be looking for a strong third-party candidate to support."
by John Lehman

 
Only because the new woke in this country care more about their feelings than anything else.

I hardly think the centrist right folk that have declared they won’t vote for trump are among the “woke”.. I don’t see many nose rings, green hair, or EVs in the driveways of the people that have made the “I’m a republican but I won’t vote for trump” crowd.. I haven’t heard any of them support men in women’s sports, or heard any DEI or die chants from them, etc…

I also haven’t heard any of them whine about hurt feelings..

What I have heard from many, if not most, is concerns about integrity, honor, self interest vs national interest, etc etc…

I’ll very likely vote for Trump a third time… I’m of very similar mindset as Ben Shapiro on the matter… I think we had several much better options.. but we are where we are now.. and now for me at least it is a lessor of evils type equation…

That said, I completely understand the guys that are clearly typical conservative, republican voters that have a very serious concern about voting for Trump again, to the point that many of them simply won’t do it..

My concern is if a simpleton like me can see it… there’s no way Trump and his leadership team doesn’t see it..

And it’s pretty clear to me that they either don’t care about anyone’s position other than their own (it’s worth losing the election over)… or.. they aren’t taking the threat that they are in fact creating seriously (simply stopping all the childish banter, name calling, etc. and refraining from telling people on the right essentially screw you, I dont want your support would be easy enough to do… they simply refuse to do it)…
 
I do want to keep posting Strieff's updates...

From that article:
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It is chilling to read. The Ukraine issue, in my view, is more important than anything else. Yes, the same article had Trump's view on how to end the war in a day. Cut off all aid and have them surrender to Russia.o_O
 
I usually only read this Politics forum, trying to learn from my AH fellows. This Wall Street Journal (hopefully not behind a paywall...) is worth reading. It is by John Lehman, President's Reagan's Secretary on the Navy. And those were great times to be in uniform, weren't they?

Reagan Would Never Vote for Trump
"He also didn't care much for Biden. Like me, he'd be looking for a strong third-party candidate to support."
by John Lehman

Most Trump supporters will never read this editorial. I will cut and paste one paragraph that I found particularly compelling.

"The most fundamental difference between Reagan and Mr. Trump is that Reagan knew America’s friends from its enemies. He would be horrified by the Republican Party’s abandonment of Ukraine at Mr. Trump’s behest. He would recognize Russia’s invasion for what it is: a brutal attempt to reassert its old Soviet dominance on a free people, no matter how many innocents die. Reagan would recognize that supporting Ukraine is both morally correct and good realpolitik, a chance to bog an adversary down. He would find Mr. Trump’s naked admiration of our enemies incomprehensible and dangerous. The man who told Mikhail Gorbachev to “tear down this wall” wouldn’t understand how an American president could congratulate a Russian dictator for “winning” a sham election."
 
For whatever it's worth, my views are as follows.

At this juncture, I am resigned to the fact that no matter what, the next 4 and a bit years will be a complete shit show. Either we have Biden continuing to utterly and completely run the country into the ground as he has in this term, or we have Trump being totally and utterly useless and stirring up a load of additional unrest both domestic and abroad through his general scumminess, incompetence and lack of a filter.

There is no route now to anything other than a complete and utter train wreck in 2024. The next 4 years are going to suck.

Accepting that this is the situation is sad, but if it is the situation, my interests now lie with 2 things.

1. Gaining an R senate and house to limit short term damage.
2. Laying the groundwork for a term that i actually think has a chance of not being terrible in 28.

Donald is a big obstacle to both.

He is a huge turn off to voters on the whole R platform, which i do not think will help point 1 in any way right now.

As for point 2.

If Biden wins in 2024, the Rs will be able to stand up in 2028 and be able to point at his failings and present a solution. That's a strong argument and a strong position for 28.

By contrast, if the next four years are under Trump, then the Rs will have no leg to stand on in 28. The electorate will continue to see Trump as the Republican party and it's likely to not be four miserable years, but eight once 28 inevitably goes to the Ds.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I might even lean slightly towards Biden in 2024 on this basis. Either way, if I had a vote I'd vote R down ticket and pass on the Presidential vote. I don't want either of them and frankly I'm not even sure which one is going to hurt my interests the most at this juncture.

I'm sure I'm not alone in this assessment and it really is a scathing indictment of the current state of US politics.
 
So what? Who cares? I only ask one question. Do you believe that 4 more years of Biden is the best outcome for America?
If so then fine, vote away and hasten the ruination of this country as most of us have known it, because that will surely be the result.

Clearly you care that Biden is not POTUS again. Those who are not in support of Trump on this forum I think are just about 100% in agreement with that position.

So I'd think you'd care very much about Trump's strategy. This strategy of telling people who disagree with him can go eat a shee-it sandwich makes no sense to me. You may not care and vote for him anyway, but you don't comprise the entire electorate.

So if you care as much about Biden losing and perhaps more than Trump winning, you still need him to win. As such I would think you and the strong Trump supporters would want him to employ a winning strategy. Again I just don't see it. Perhaps he'll win in spite of himself? Perhaps I'm wrong and this is a great plan and I just fail, as others, to see it.

Please explain, or anyone of you strong Trump supporters to me how you think this will work?
 
I generally don't like to comment on political stuff, because many on one side or the other are pretty well entrenched and i am unlikely to be able to change minds no matter how good the facts, but, here goes.

trump as a human is just like many of us; plenty of problems and sins to make him a less than perfect man and makes others suspect of his principles or reasons for doing things.

here are some thoughts/facts to ponder on tho regarding the upcoming election.

the current administrations first act was to cancel pipeline and start a war on fossil fuel that our country runs on, from trains, ships, 18 wheelers, tractors, delivery vehicles etc. fuel prices have spiked and that increased costs of everything, crops, goods and services.

the media has consistently stated that there is no proof that biden has taken any money from china, or russia, or ukraine, and yet, slowly but surely the proof that joe is corrupt as is his family (you know, the ones that got money from shell corporations for doing nothing) is coming out. oh, and "son of a bitch" joe got a ukrainian investigator fired for looking into his son, hmmm.

the current Administration has done everything it can to keep the border open to illegal aliens (millions of them) and actively worked AGAINST the states (TX,AZ etc) and instead of putting UP a border wall, they have actually, quietly, SOLD OFF the fence that trump had bought but was not yet installed. and while doing so, put "children in cages", "separated families" and enabled cartels to flood america with fentanyl, which i heard kills 100,000 americans per year (i used to work in ems, and watched people die from overdoses, and of course sex trafficking, rapes, etc.

i am still waiting for the terrorists in Gaza, to release american hostages, and waiting to hear from our current admin to explain the status of their release.

on the domestic front, this administration has used the FBI in conjunction with big tech to monitor social media and block or disable anyone that wanted to counter a narrative they dis agreed with. the DOJ is helping too, going after any of the biden political adversaries with law fare. remember with that matt taiebe guy was testifying (not a conservative guy, then) in court and the IRS just happened to make a house call on him the next day?

this administration made sure to shut the country down during covid, FORCED military and government workers to get a untested vaccine, upon the threat of job loss.

and, maybe the most important thing. joe biden is in serious cognitive decline. almost anyone (even a democrat) would agree that he is not the man he was 4 years ago. so, my question is...who has been running the government the last 3 years? certainly not joe, he can barely get on and off stage for a speech. So, who is ACTUALLY running things? certainly not someone who was voted into office. does anyone think that joe is going to get better in a 2nd term?

i read earlier that someone thought that it really didn't matter who was the president. hmmm, well, i would disagree. it would appear that joe has actively done just about everything that could be done to ruin his country. if he missed something, to make things worse, i don't know what it was.

you might not LIKE trump (i had money managers i didn't think much of, but they made me money) but of the two, one has actually built things, the other was a politician for his whole life. trump is a very flawed man, biden is an actual criminal, and i suspect we will find out later that he is a treasonous man as well.

as far as both men go, we have seen them both operate, in my humble opinion, its not even a close choice. it is easy to get hung up on the man and behaviors, but trumps policies were MOSTLY, pretty good.
 
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If Biden wins in 2024, the Rs will be able to stand up in 2028 and be able to point at his failings and present a solution. That's a strong argument and a strong position for 28.

By contrast, if the next four years are under Trump, then the Rs will have no leg to stand on in 28. The electorate will continue to see Trump as the Republican party and it's likely to not be four miserable years, but eight once 28 inevitably goes to the Ds.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I might even lean slightly towards Biden in 2024 on this basis. Either way, if I had a vote I'd vote R down ticket and pass on the Presidential vote. I don't want either of them and frankly I'm not even sure which one is going to hurt my interests the most at this juncture.

I'm sure I'm not alone in this assessment and it really is a scathing indictment of the current state of US politics.
Yep, exact same points I made a few posts ago.
 
If we make it to '28.
I have never been a subscriber to the philosophy "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
But I truly believe that the friend of my enemy is my enemy.
I seem to have a LOT of enemies here.
I must check out of Politics, or I shall have to leave altogether.
 
Thankfully, Congress will save us from China. Banning TikTok should do it. I mean, they have been gathering data on us for years. The Chinese, I mean.....not Congress. Congress doesn't give a hang what we want. Face The Nation today said that both Google and Apple would be ready to buy Tiktok, and they criticized Elon Musk because he pointed out that Google and Apple would then get to own a competitor at fire sale prices. But I couldn't help but wonder, if the Govt is so concerned about protecting us from China, why they chose a video app. I mean, Biden had no problem with the 37,000 Chinese that entered the Country illegally at our southern border last year. (Mostly military age men, although only women and children shown on the State News Media) Or the 100's of thousands of acres of farmland that China bought. (up 500% in the last few years) Or the $870 billion of US National Debt that they own. Or the Chicago Stock Exchange, or AMC Movie Theaters, or General Electric or the huge chunk of General Motors. Those apparently don't matter. But we must get that damned TikTok sold to a US tech giant. ...FWB
 
Most Trump supporters will never read this editorial. I will cut and paste one paragraph that I found particularly compelling.
And a lot of people will not read it regardless of who they support because they do not have a wsj subscription.
 
And a lot of people will not read it regardless of who they support because they do not have a wsj subscription.
You are correct. Nor, regrettably, any other source that doesn't provide confirmation bias - either side of the political spectrum.
 
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I would agree that most people look for confirmation of their beliefs. The pasted articles above confirm that. But MNM, which is essentially State Run Media, bombards everyone with the same message, night after night, on the so called "news". Seeking and actually hearing different perspectives is the exception not the rule......it requires listening to independent media.......which is under fierce attack, and hearing people that you know live on another planet. You will rarely hear a retraction or an apology.......( I have hear only one journalist do that in the past two years). Still, there is hope....FWB
 
If we make it to '28.
I have never been a subscriber to the philosophy "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
But I truly believe that the friend of my enemy is my enemy.
I seem to have a LOT of enemies here.
I must check out of Politics, or I shall have to leave altogether.
@freefall
I know it can seem to get quite cliquey around here.
I consider @Scott CWO and @Red Leg and several others that I know personally a friend even though i do not always agree with their perspectives on politics. Even @ActionBob and I differ greatly on perspectives.
The unfortunate part is when it gets out of hand.
 
I would agree that most people look for confirmation of their beliefs. The pasted articles above confirm that. But MNM, which is essentially State Run Media, bombards everyone with the same message, night after night, on the so called "news". Seeking and actually hearing different perspectives is the exception not the rule......it requires listening to independent media.......which is under fierce attack, and hearing people that you know live on another planet. You will rarely hear a retraction or an apology.......( I have hear only one journalist do that in the past two years). Still, there is hope....FWB
Before I moved in with Bob, I had not watched television for over 20 years. I had four televisions in my house even when my kids were small and we watched movies on Friday nights but we didn’t watch television. I think every now and again they would watch cartoons, but we were always busy doing things and tv was at the bottom of our lists of things to do. I would pick up the paper at work and sometimes read the news. I also have no social media, unless you count AH.
Bob and I watch or listen to the news and see what stocks are doing in the morning if we are home. You are correct. It is always the same mess, different day. I was looking back at this thread whilst Bob was driving today and it was a lot of the same in this thread. A lot of bashing and calling names and here and there some good or entertaining info.
 
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@freefall
I know it can seem to get quite cliquey around here.
I consider @Scott CWO and @Red Leg and several others that I know personally a friend even though i do not always agree with their perspectives on politics. Even @ActionBob and I differ greatly on perspectives.
The unfortunate part is when it gets out of hand.
Yeah @freefall you shouldn’t leave.

For the record, I’ve stated more than once that I am voting for Trump but think he’s hurting his own chances to win. In either case, it’s going to be a bumpy four years.
 
Yeah @freefall you shouldn’t leave.

For the record, I’ve stated more than once that I am voting for Trump but think he’s hurting his own chances to win. In either case, it’s going to be a bumpy four years.
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