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That is true for folks that don't shoot much... but if you SHOOT... and I do, then reloading saves a significant amount. If I didn't reload my options would be, cut my shooting by 80% or take up knitting... and have you seen the price of wool....

The entire drilling concept is half-arsed... it is all about compromise, personally I would rather be good at something.

Start reloading

$35/20, is cheap.

Heavy, awkward and they don't do anything well... they are half-azzed for everything... I have had a few, they keep sounding like a good idea, but come up woefully short in the actual application.

They get old.... fast.

You can have amazing adventures without a gun... just a little tougher to feed the kids.

Anything that allows me to use buckets of brass already in the shop makes me happy... like the 7.62X57, .375 WSM and .358-375 Ruger that I am rocking... it doesn't have to make sense to anyone but me.

Except, I have buckets of .375 H&H brass... and I tried and discarded the .416 RM years ago.

The bottom rifle pictured is the 7X64 Brenneke.

If I were building one, I would definitely be blowing out that shoulder... the neck is ridiculous.

I had shot many Brenneke cartridges, including 7X64, 8X64S and 9.3X64. I felt the 8X64 was redundant and sold it off keeping the 7mm & 9.3mm... if I had been sharp that day, I would have went the other way around and kept the 8mm and sold the other two. However, I love my Ruger M77 Brenneke's...

Camoflage on those woodchucks is amazing!

You can also buy Ruger OEM Laminate stocks... I have a bunch of Ruger Laminate stocks on my Stainless M77 Mark II rifles.

I've got a bucket of nuts and bolts that has been gathering dust and rust in a back corner of the barn I can sell you... cheap.

Big Bore rifles are not paper punchers... I don't worry about target velocity or target pressure, I worry about the "TARGET." Just choose an appropriate powder for your bullet and work up, while you monitor the accuracy carefully. My Lott load in my M77 Mark II RSM is 85 grains of A2520 with...

That is stupid and guaranteed to break at the wrist... but I am sure the one armed shooter appreciated it.

You need a .22 cal centerfire and a .35 cal of some sort. A .22-250 would be best all around, but it is hard to argue against the .223 Rem based on availability and cost. For the .35 cal, it is a toss up, .358 Win or .35 Whelen... if you are going to be a single .35 shooter, make it the Whelen...

I have used the 173 SPCE Torpedo bullets in 7X64 of a couple dozen animals and they did a great job... I wouldn't be concerned based on my results.

That is almost always caused by buckling the shoulder when seating the bullet. I did not read the whole thread, so bear with me... are you chamfering and deburring the brass? If you feel resistance in the first mm or two of seating the bullet, you should bell the case mouth slightly. Check the...

I said hogs and swamp deer (tongue in cheek, of course), however you had an opinion before I brought that up... so... care to share... you mention "waking up" regarding PG... care to enlighten us?

So what is the reality in your opinion.

I don't agree... many gun enthusiasts are drawn to big bore cartridges and rifles, but have a hard time justifying indulging those desires to their spouse or even themselves... so they start looking for other potential targets and uses... as in; "This .505 Gibbs would be a perfect hog gun." Or...

She was tangled in a fence and I was trying to help her, unfortunately with the language barrier she misinterpreted my intentions and laid a leg bone upside my head. In the end, she was running wild and free again, and able to tell her homies how she spanked one of those "camo clowns."

I once tackled a medium sized whitetail doe... I lost.

I think you could have taken that gopher in "hand to paw" combat...

Generally there are two ways to go, softer bullets at slower speeds or harder (solid) bullets at higher speeds... of course you can also do the converse, but soft bullets at high speeds can be messy and hard bullets at slow speeds can be ineffective... or at least, "less" effective. Personally...

P.S... how you load them matters too, not just the weight and construction of the bullet and the size of the bore.

I've shot many deer and bears with 500 grainers from .458 WM & Lott... no fuss, no excessive damage, very effective... I would expect the same from the Gibbs & Jeff.

Wow, you sound like a liberal... only law abiding citizens are disarmed in Canada... the criminals all have guns. Are we safe here? We are until some psychopath decides to enacted deranged violence against us for some perceived offense in his/her drug addled brain... and when they do, we are...

Does your church have an active shooter protocol? Are you on.the team that would respond to that scenario? I wish... in Canada that would be unheard of... we are sitting ducks.... wounded sitting ducks.

If you check in advance to see if the camp has a rifle in the same chambering as the rifle you are bringing, you can use your own ammo, and not bother with a back up rifle.

Top to Bottom... CZ; 452 .22 LR, 527 .223, 550 9.3X62 Ruger B&C; .458 WM, 7.62X57 HC, .375 WSM, .358-375 Ruger

I just shoot mine as is... and don't worry about the stock. Having said that, if you anticipate hard use and want to protect against potential failures, the B&C is a good way to go... the rifles that I carry while guiding are in B&C stocks.

Agree... my black bear over bait load is 56.0 grains H4895 with 500 grain RN's topped with Puff-Lon for 1750 fps... gives 3400 ft/lb energy and does a great job on bears, completely pass through with very little damage to meat and hides. My full "back up" load in .458 WM is 75 grains H335 with...

I do use filler, a product call Puff-Lon. I'm sitting at my loading bench loading 500 grain RN's in .458 WM using 56.0 grains of H4895 and then topping the case to the base of the bullet seating with Puff-Lon. Hodgdon has the 60% formula for reduced loads with H4895, but I have tested H4895...

Terrific hunt and some really nice animals taken. Congrats.

It is two different rifles.... a blued/Walnut Ruger M77 Mark II and a stainless/Laminate Ruger M77 Mark II, the stainless is now in a B&C stock. The cartridge is a necked down 8X57, which has a greater capacity than would a necked up 7X57.

Or an almost as good .30/06... The idea was to use one of my favorite cases, in the ever popular .30 cal and for once and all time settle the age old argument of ".308 versus. 30/06"... problem solved.

The 7.62X57 Hoytcanon... 8X57 necked down to .308"... 180 Partition @ 2740, many, many head of game.

PPU brass is good too... I use it for my 7.62X57 HC

Don't be afraid to use S&B 7X64 brass, and their 173 SPCE load with Torpedo bullet is excellent on game. I also have a good load with the Nosler 150 NBT and RL-19.

I did not know Bruce or of Bruce, but as I said, if you are shooting 10K plus rounds at game, you are either a poacher, a terrible shot or a culler... apparently he was the latter. Sad to hear of his passing, he sounds like he was an avid shooter and outdoorsman... a loss to our community.

He said he shot out two .270 barrels and was on the third and shot out one .280 barrel and was on the second... in those cartridges, you are looking at 3-4000 rounds to wear it out (approximately), so I conservatively estimated 8K - 10K rounds total... "ON GAME!" You either have to be in an...

My son has one in 20 gauge with 26" barrels... great little gun AFTER we got it repaired... CZ was no help, had to go to a local gunsmith... the firing pins where puncturing primers and sticking in them, locking the gun closed.

Hence the "culling" option... some folks are lucky enough to live in areas that have an abundance of live targets and gain a first hand perspective on terminal results that once a year deer hunters could never develope.

Yikes... bummer. Condolences.

He clearly needs 100+ rounds on a hunt because he is the world's worst shot having shot out numerous barrels "on game." 8000 - 10,000 rounds on game and you are either poaching, culling or missing.

I avoided .277" altogether... I shoot 173 grain Torpedo's in my 7X64 and they do a marvelous job on game.

I have two of Renner's rifles done on Ruger No.1's... nice work, but there are lots of qualified and competent smiths out there. Google "gunsmith"... if all you want is a "name" to be associated with, the one with the most traffic will show up first.