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@PHOENIX PHIL I suppose it would be poor taste, bad manners, to state how much I love shooting in my Air Conditioned indoor 50 yard range? Whew, sure is nice when its 100 degrees outside, to step out back, shoot in 70 degrees, or even cooler if you want............But, I am not saying...

This was discussed in depth here.......... https://www.africahunting.com/threads/article-on-heavier-vs-lighter-for-caliber-bullet-penetration.81697/

That is a great compliment, thank you very much, it is appreciated....... Here is the deal, I don't care if anyone changes bullets or not, there are many great conventionals, I know, I used to use them myself, I have shot a heap of tonnage with Swift A Frames, Barnest TSX, Woodleighs, and...

OK, since I have been mentioned, I will tell you a story............... No real comment on the 6.5 and 110 Raptor, the bullet will penetrate, do damage, and get the job done, maybe a little short on caliber, but that is me........ 30/06 with 150 Raptors is dandy, plenty of penetration, will...

That is excellent work @Hunting Hitman , and all over close to some work I did with 458 Lott in 2013....EXCEPT, not 500 gr CEBs, but 480 CEB Solids............. 11/15/13 480 #13 Solid 80/AA 2520 Fed 215 2298 2290 8 2294 58096 PSI Your 500/470 Solid/Raptor combo is working exactly...

I have never seen a case mouth effected like that after being fired? I can't even imagine how that could happen, Higher pressures would IRON that out nice and round......... Too little pressure? Even then....? Did you experience heavy bolt lift, hard extraction, marks on the case, how does...

I have never cared for H335, what little I have used in other cartridges it just seems a bit volatile to me, but lots of folks love it.......... Use same data in the Barnes book, should be fine......... AA 2230 and X-Terminator are available at Midway...................... AA 2230...

I have never in my life had a PH give me "Advice"................ or ever make recommendations to me. And, in fact, I have been asked many many times, by every single PH I ever hunted with, and there have been many, and to a man, they have asked the questions, and I have given the the lecture...

HEH HEH............ This is so good, so appropriate............. And not all together wrong, if I were this PH, I would have to consider exactly that rule of thumb, especially based on the "Quality of Hunters" involved. Notice, I said Hunters, not Shooters...... there is one hell of a big...

SSDD.......... OMG............... Title....... Solid Bullets for Buffalo? Yes Or No? First line; That is two different thought processes, not the same. You "Experts" can do as you please, you can use slingshots loaded with Woodlieghs if you want..... I don't care. Here is what I have...

I don't know Tim Sundles, but I 100% Concur with that assessment of the 450s, they are so good, there is no reason at all for a 500 in .458 caliber....... and yes, I not only recommend this for 458 Lott but any other larger capacity 458 caliber........ I have a good friend that has taken his 458...

Damn, our last post on this thread was with "The Kid".......... shortly after this he was gone....... we never know, live every single day to the fullest guys. :cry:

Hi Twisted, congrats on your 458 WInchester, it is hard to beat, regardless of what the "So Called" experts might say.......... I addressed this in more detail in your PM to me. Keep in mind, a 450 CEB #13 Solid .458 will do the job required on elephant, hippo, buffalo with ease at 2150 fps, I...

@Rafiki is on a mission, and thus far, I have not been able to persuade him otherwise, I think a bit of a hard head...... LOL...... said with jest and good will of course......... Yes, we have been around the block on this one. Last August a good friend of mine had a Ruger #1 for sale...

@Fatback Never count 458 Winchester out of the game. It can do everything you ever need to do, from deer to elephant and all in between, and do it DAMN GOOD as well........... I will always be on standby for you, if you have a project, need a load, suggestion on bullet, or anything that I...

So I have been told for years........ but seems I just never get to it, if I ever do, I will send you a copy for free...... LOL....... Hell I will even sign it like I was somebody....... HEH HEH........ Nahhh..... nobody, just a shooter/hunter like the rest of us........ I have so many little...

Yes, I honestly just can't see the Custom Shop making these, I believe it is my pal's rifle without much doubt, 99.9%.......... Ok, Stainless Left hand the plastic stock, and above all the muzzle brake? No, I don't think so. I have never known the Custom Shop to have a gun with a muzzle...

HEH......... OK then............ Off we go, one more time............. In 2006 I was working close with JD to get some decent .500 caliber bullets, and JD was working with Fricke from Lehigh, this was early Lehigh, and JD was guiding everything going on there, without his ideas and thoughts...

Yeah, in .500 caliber for the Super Shorts, you are right, OMG.......:oops:....... You had to point that out didn't you, I will never look at those bullets the same again......... Right, why could I not just made them 369, or something, just not 37 anything........... Thanks a lot pal....... you...

@Fatback Thank you so much for the details that you have on the rifle. This morning I have pretty much convinced myself that has to be his rifle, I can't see the Custom Shop just making very many LH Stainless 458 Winchesters, and with a Brake installed..... Maybe LH, on occasion, but not with...

@C.W. Richter I have absolutely NOTHING for sell, and not in any business related to firearms, bullets, or anything else, I receive no money for any test work, load data, pressure work or cartridge design, or anything else I might help someone with. ZERO....... Nothing at all............I...

@Fatback ...... I apologize for being a little curious about this left hand 458 Winchester of yours, you see, my late hunting partner/friend from Dayton Ohio had a rifle EXACTLY like the one you are showing. Same muzzle brake, sights, everything. He and I bought two guns at Winchester Custom...

I hope your blow up bullets don't hit heavy bone on a lion and you do not get any penetration into vitals.................. Oh, lions are cats, they are thin skinned, use a blow up bullet that can't penetrate.......... One of the only 400 gr Swift A Frames I have recovered, and the most mangled...

In this thread we have talked about Raptors, Generation II, and we have spoken about Maximus, Hammer and Lehigh Copper CNC Generation I bullets, as I call them anyway, hopefully now, if you read these posts, you will have an understanding of what they do, why, and how they perform Terminally...

These expanding solid copper bullets are like the North Fork Expanding CPS that John and I worked on..... they are in a special category all to their own....... Would anyone like to take a look at these? And some other "Super Bullets"...........????

No, I shot my lions before there was such a thing, I shot 3 lions all with 400 Swift A Frame 458 Winchester at 2325 fps, 24 years ago, leopard was a long time as well with 416 Remington 340 Woodliegh at 2500 fps or so.......... But, if I were leaving today I would be be taking Raptors, Wicked...

I only deal with two calibers at .308 and below, 223, and use the 50 Raptor for my loads. 308 caliber I have 300 BLK, 30/30, 7.62X40, 308 Winchester and 300 Winchester, I use exclusively 100 FB Raptors in those guns...... I have had a couple of friends and one of my sons use the 50 Raptor in...

Weight equal Pressure....... Develop your load for the 500 Solid first........ Then you can use exact Same Load for the 470 Raptor, they should be in the same hole at 50 yards....... They are the same bullet in bearing surface and length...... Since there is some less weight, there will also be...

The blades shear at 1.5 or so inches of penetration, and of course if the bullet contacts heavy bone even before shear, the blades will shear anyway, that remaining solid crunches and munches bone to pieces, it busts bone up like a big hammer and keeps on going. Make no mistake, its not just a...

Yes, it was a sight no joke. It was explosive, there was no brain in the cavity, it was completely gone, and the jaw was even broken as well, it is an mini grenade type action when those blades shear all at once. The next year I shot a hippo in the brain with a 458 B&M 458 caliber 250 gr...

It was 2010 when I started working with Dan at CEB to get a better solid, this work was intensive and time consuming as well, we were shooting and testing bullets each week for nearly a year to get it right. Immediately after the Solids we went to work on the matching Raptors, this consumed all...

Maybe its time to talk about Generation I Copper HP Bullets........... In the beginning, 2006-2007 I was working with Lehigh, big copper Hollow Points.......... Today, the best examples of Generation I bullets are CEB Maximus and the Hammer Bullets....... both of these are superb, they are far...

How many times have we heard some folks say, we no longer needed solids for buffalo? Our Trauma inflicting bullets, Premium softs and so forth were so good today, solids were no longer needed? Well in 2011 I got to thinking about that, and yes, this 460 Raptor I was using in 500 MDM was...

Always, thank you, but this afternoon my time is limited so I will only be able to make a few, short points......... but in the morning we will dive in head first if you like.... Actually that is an Entrance, I shot top of the head as he raised up to latch on the bait...... kinda a snap...

More Raptor Stuff............... I was heavily invested in .500 caliber because of the various B&M cartridges, I had to have serious .500 caliber bullets to accomplish my mission with the B&Ms, so the very first Raptors were of course .500 Caliber. The mighty CEB Solid in .500 was 500 gr...

Thank you, however I am just a shooter/hunter, just like everyone else here, I just happen to get serious about bullet tech, and I don't trust others to tell me what I need to know. And its not always because they might be hiding facts, its also because they don't know the facts. Indeed, I...

Ok, lets dive in and see if we can help........... No, not saying anything, other than the remaining solid which is similar to a broken beer bottle full wadcutter bullet, continues to penetrate dead straight, when it exits, it also cuts a full wadcutter type hole in the tissue, and the hide...

Blades......... can be found in the medium from 5-8 inches for most of the big bores 458+......... Wrong....... The damage done by a Raptor far far far exceeds any and all conventional premium expanding, you have to see it to believe it........... And I have. Along with many others...

Good Morning Phil......... Correct, Raptors do not like to hit brush, sticks or similar at all. BTW, there are very few bullets that do not have an adverse reaction to hitting brush, most do have some negative effect. But fact is, if a Raptor or other similar bullet like the Gen 1 CNC...

That is quite a find Daniel......... For anyone that wants a 458 B&M this is a very nice gun, and a damn good price as well. I don't know this gun personally, but I know what it cost or close what it cost as it is. Basic M70 Stainless would have cost no less than $750 at a good deal in any...

Now, if you look at all these, or at least most of these Copper Solids there is distortion and deformation in the nose, you can see a change in overall bullet length as well. While I was putting these together, I also took measurements of the FIRED and recovered bullets just to see how much they...

CEB Solid Tests with 300 Winchester

CEB Solid Tests with 308 Winchester................

I was asked by CEB to evaluate these new .308 Copper Bullets in which we put them through a very thorough test late February...... To end any speculation or further conversation on this subject, I too very very much prefer BRASS for the solids, and that was my recommendation at the end of my...

Considering .510 caliber and 1600-1700 fps I don't care much for the Raptors at that velocity, in .510 caliber CEB Makes a 350 Lever Raptor, I requested for 51 Alaskan lever guns, and it has a matching 400 gr CEB Lever SOLID....... at these lower velocities, I would go with the Solid to ensure...

Someone stated that shooting elephant brain shots that just any solid would do! That is a statement made from ignorance, and is simply NOT TRUE. Fact of the matter is, All Solids Are Not Created Equal. The Factors of Terminal Solid Penetration is a multi year study, with 1000s on top of...

Correct on all counts............ H4895 is too slow for light bullets in 458 Winchester. H4198 is the best, followed by RL 7 and IMR 4198. This is 458 Winchester Data I did in 2013 and 2022 with the 250 CEB Socom Raptor. Keep in mind, 2013 data was done with 24 inch barrel, 2022 data done...

And once again................. There are 8 Absolute Known Factors for Solid Penetration and are as follows in Order of Importance..... #1 Meplat Percentage of Caliber Meplats that attain 65% Meplat of Caliber are terminally stable.... Above 70% Meplat bullets remain stable, however depth of...

Indeed it can get a little scary........... Be weary of all the RL Powders. Not saying they are bad, because they are not, I use a lot of RL Powders for some of my top best loads, however, you have to know how to handle them, and there can be differences from keg to keg, can to can in them...

While I try and put some other data together, I will post this for you. Here we did some case measurements at different pressure levels, this gives you a guide with your own loads, by measuring the amount of case expansion at the given point from a full length sized and fired case, to after...